Protect and Serve . . . yeah right !

Everything was fine until Scot chose to do a runner. There is no suggestion whatsoever from the dash-cam footage that ****er was a "Good ole Boy" itching for any excuse to "Kill Me a ******!" (Mississippi Burning)!

Scot chose to run, He chose to assault a police officer in order to make his escape. He established himself not as an "Innocent Man" but as a desperate fugitive prepared to do whatever was necessary to make his escape.

Well i haven't seen any footage of him assaulting the cop, so cannot comment on that. feel free to post it and i'l reply

New reports suggest that he was heading towards a public park.

What would he do there, would he carry on running? would he duck behind a tree or other cover and pull out a hitherto concealed weapon to ambush the following Policeman? Would he take a hostage? would he shoot/stab an innocent bystander in order to force the Policeman to break off the chase?

I don't know what he would have done, would he have played with the kids in the park ?
Would he have played on the swings ?
would he have helped an old lady across the road ?
would he have went home and reinstalled deus ex ?

We won't know because the cop decided to kill him

The Cop doesn't know why he ran, all he knows is that Scott was desperate to escape, wayyy too desperate to be accounted for by a broken tail light and iffy documents.

The cop does not know why he ran so he decided to kill him and that is ok in your mind ?

if you do not know what someone will do just kill them incase they commit a crime ?

He had about one second to consider all of the above and make his decision.

Why did he have a second ? he could have just chased him or called back up.
he was running from him not attacking him, did the rest of the cops in the USA just die that he was the one remaining hope they had.
Lots of people run from the police and the police have no idea what they will do or where they will go ......by your logic they all deserve to be shot.


The only reason why this is being considered a "Bad" decision is because, in hindsight, there is no logical explanation for Scott to make such a desperate attempt to escape and it turned out, in hindsight, that he was infact unarmed..

yes he was unarmed and there was no reason for the police officer to think otherwise, there was no reason to believe he was going to go on a killing spree. there was simply no reason given to shoot him.


Had Scot actually turned out, in hindsight, to be armed and/or a wanted Murderer or terrorist ****er would by now be being considered a hero.

Well you could go around shooting random people and sometimes you will kill people wanted by the law but it's not the best way to go about it.
 
Very interesting read in the Washington Post on how US Police culture and training is over-emphasising the likelyhood of danger to officers, and the promotion of maximum force as an early intervention;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...f-south-carolina-state-trooper-sean-groubert/

The article loosely hangs off the shooting we've discussed here in the past of the officer instructing a man at a "gas station" to show his licence, and then shoots him when the guy reaching into his car to actually get the licence.
 
And that's the way I like it.

It shouldn't really be that way though. As much as I can understand that people don't want a routinely-armed police service we shouldn't be viewing firearms officers as some shameful, dirty side of policing that has to exist but shouldn't be seen until it's needed. They're still police officers regardless of the extra kit they carry, they can and do perform regular duties and they're not something people should be scared of seeing.

The police need to be encouraged to be more transparent about things like this (to a point, of course), not pressured to hide it away from the public eye. Unfortunately this is essentially the situation we've got up here with Police Scotland at the moment, largely as a result of some nasty political pressure.
 
Not sure how many hit but its relatively hit and miss how many rounds it takes to actually stop someone let alone kill them (which aside from your just as likely to hit an artery and kill them anyhow is why saying why didn't they shoot someone in the leg i.e. "non-lethal", etc. is silly). People have been killed from 1 shot or lived with 30+ - been a fair few cases where someone has been hit with upwards of 20 rounds of 7.62mm and still lived long enough to do some damage back.
You can't say that because it's possible to die from a single shot to the leg that it's just as well to unload a full clip into someone. There are plenty of reasons to not try to shoot someone in the leg (primarily that most armed cops aren't expected to have that degree of accuracy), that it might kill them anyway is not one of them.
 
A white police officer who fatally shot a black man after apparently mistaking his gun for a Taser has been charged with manslaughter.

Robert Bates, a 73-year-old volunteer sheriff's deputy, shot Mr Harris after an undercover weapons sting.

Earlier in the thread there were some people claiming that US police forces were highly trained and highly comptetent. Any of those people want to comment on this?
 
On the subject of military gear.

Several years ago now but our armed response cops used Heckler & Koch carbines that were getting old - possible HK75 or something like that.

Several were trialled as a replacement and the Colt M4 was deemed best but the powers that be deemed them too militaristic and the second choice G36 won it.
 
There is a huge jail killer cops demo today in cities all over the USA I've seen some horrific vids of killer cops battering folk including pregnant women tbh I would happily machine gun the lot of the pigs, if I feel like this loads of yanks with access to actual machineguns must too, they better start jailingvthe pigs in big numbers or decent cops will get killed.
 
There is a huge jail killer cops demo today in cities all over the USA I've seen some horrific vids of killer cops battering folk including pregnant women tbh I would happily machine gun the lot of the pigs, if I feel like this loads of yanks with access to actual machineguns must too, they better start jailingvthe pigs in big numbers or decent cops will get killed.

Next time you need the Police, call a crackhead instead.
 
On the subject of military gear.

Several years ago now but our armed response cops used Heckler & Koch carbines that were getting old - possible HK75 or something like that.

Several were trialled as a replacement and the Colt M4 was deemed best but the powers that be deemed them too militaristic and the second choice G36 won it.

Keeping in line with the Peelian Principles. Armed officers by London Victoria look like they don't need consent to police.
 
Keeping in line with the Peelian Principles. Armed officers by London Victoria look like they don't need consent to police.

Many people misunderstand this principle. It does not require individual consent but more consent of society as a whole.
 
Many people misunderstand this principle. It does not require individual consent but more consent of society as a whole.

Indeed, but at least unlike other nations we don't appear to be militarising the police. Was involved with police procurement (policy) and saw quite a few discussions on uniform style etc.
 
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