PS3 Delayed

[t@xman]

I really can't see them requiring a HDD to run the games, in that case what would be the point of selling the PS3 without a HDD?

Well, to the greater extent you needed a memory card in order to play the PS2 & GC, and yet they still sold both without it!

 

[NokkonWud]

MS are really pushing the market place. I mean look how many rattles get thrown out of the pram in here where there was no demo for GRAW and the one for the outfit didnt work. So that is 500meg to a gig worth of data each. The HDD is too small for what MS want to achieve. it will be upgraded to a bigger one though

I totally agree with that, but I was merely talking on the aspect of game saves.

Well to be honest unless you are Ken Katuragi (and even then) you cant guarantee bugger all to do with the PS3 price.
Dual shock comes as standard with the PS2 always has, memory cards are the favored choice in Japan, thats why the PS2 boxes came with mem card holders. Also in Japan mem cards are dirt cheap, plus they get special versions etc. Nintendo use mem cards, does that make them evil??

Nintendo used cartridges with save abilities in them for years. The GameCube was dirt cheap so I didn't mind buying a seperate memory card. the Memory Card should have been included with the Playstation/2.

even if you want to be pedantic and say well only the xbox and xbox crystal at the only standard revisions, well thats 2 versions against the 2 versions of the PS2 that you quoted. and there is a performance difference over the 4 models you lsited. Also the PStwo has a network adapter and iR port built in. the PS2 didnt.
also where are the slatings of nintendo, they are up to what 3 revisions of the GBA now??

The console never changed shape nor acted like it was a new console. Colours are different to revisions. I do see your point though and the different colours did escape my mind.

Did nintendo change the GBA? I didn't know.

well from what i have read sony are really pushing the media center.
How MS be making the 360 a media center, yet be focused on gaming

Because they aren't pushing a propriety format first, they are pushing games and adding a seperate HD-DVD player later. Personally I would rather have PS3 games on a DVD (like the 360) and have it now.

Well whoopie do, but i think you have a leaning towards MS.
The launch line up was ok, not great, and we will see what the PS3 brings since there will be a lot of dev's had the dev kit for a long time.

Possibly, but I have had nothing but bad experiences with Sony. 4 playstations and 2 playstation2's and no refunds etc.. for lost money. However, I do love the Playstation and Playstation 2.

Microsoft said the way of the future was 'micro purchases' i they ment using xbox live marketplace, but i think the peripherals will be just as key to MS. MS do see to be a little bit peripheral hungry in this round in my opnion.

Yes, there are a lot of peripherals, but most are for different connections to different TV's (VGA, VGA AV, Advanced Scart, Component Cable). Most of the other stuff came free with the Premium console.

Call me a sony fanboy I dont care i will be buying a PS3. I think it will grab a lot of the casual gamers, and i for one am genuinly excited to see what it going to happen over the next 6-9 months. And think it could be a great thing.

Why would I call you a fanboy? I believe the Playstation3 will be excellent and I truly look forward to playing it. As someone who designs games I see nothing but hope for more consoles and formats etc..

What i dont understand is why people say sony wont be able to do a worldwide launch like MS did. Sure sony have had shortages in the past, but i think a lot of it is fabricated. i have never had any trouble getting any sony product at launch. Sony make electronics for a living, MS make software. I think Sony will do the business.

Sony can definitely do a worldwide launch. They have seen Microsoft cope (or not cope, depending on how you see it) and can only learn. It's definitely the right thing to do. Hopefully Sony go one better than Microsoft and actually have a lot of games in all regions (Microsoft only had 6 in Japan).

Edit
and nokkon i am not picking on you, but your post stood out a lot and there seemed to cover a lot of what was being said by other members in this thread and lately

Thats fine, a forum is not a good forum unless you have feedback. I personally don't take in what a lot of people on this forum say, I am definitely what you'd call 'Hardcore' when it comes to games and pride myself on knowledge and workings of everything to do with consoles etc.. It's the business I am working in after all. All of what I said were my feelings alone and I really do appreciate the fact that you read it and gave opinions (which are unbias) and gave feedback.

Thankyou.

 

[NokkonWud]

Microsoft dont rob people with revisions - hmmmm how many flaky operating systems (on release) do you want, ok so they FIJNALLY get it right, but come on MS have a history of it in numerous ways ( overheating psu on 360 anyone? Reports of bad / overly noisy dvd drives) ripping off others software and rebadging it (MS DOS) numerous lawsuits around the world regarding their company policies in regards to windows?? Do you want me to go on?

Use Linux then? Or one of the many other OS's. Personally I have loved every version of windows apart from Millenium Edition. Microsofts operating system is excellent.

You could continue to go on, but all of it is unfounded in reality. Come back to me with facts and I will listen, I'm sorry, but reading your babbling is giving me a headache.

 

[Otacon]

M$ empire was buil;t courtesy of the very people that take greatest pleasure in deriding it - the software pirate! It was piracy that made Windows the OS of choice, then once the market was such that Windows software was by far in the majority all M$ did was close the piracy window by making it more secure.

Oof, have to strongly disagree there. MS is the desktop of choice *in this country* (it very much isn't so in a lot of the eastern and Asian markets) because of it's very early corporate foothold. When home computing became affordable and useful to Joe punter then familiarity took them back toward Microsoft (pirated or not).

Not sure how we got here in a thread about the PS3 though

 

[Davey_Pitch]

Not sure how we got here in a thread about the PS3 though

Indeed, and given that the thread is about the PS3 being delayed, which is isn't according to the other thread in here, I think we'll end it here. You guys feel free to keep arguing by email or something