PS3 UK Launch details.

wedgie · 6 Feb 2007 at 21:28

Tom84 said:
You think? Other than a load of conversions that Ive already played on my 360 it looks pretty weak IMO.

Regardless of whether they are available for other systems these are quality games.

Windle said:
Call of Duty 3 - Activision UK Ltd - Disc
Tony Hawk’s Project 8 - Activision UK Ltd - Disc
Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell: Double Agent - Ubisoft Entertainment SA - Disc
The Elder Scrolls lV: Oblivion - Ubisoft Entertainment SA - Disc
Fight Night Round 3 - Electronic Arts Ltd - Disc
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2007 - Electronic Arts Ltd - Disc
F.E.A.R. Vivendi - Universal Games Intl SA - Disc

smcshaw said:
Aye it's a very good half-year-old line up

I judge the line up on it's own merits (as it should be). There will be people who haven't had the chance to play any of the games on any system yet.

Going solely on the number of quality titles, I can't think of a better launch line up. I can think of launch titles that are better, but not a launch line up overall.

Abooie · 6 Feb 2007 at 21:55

wedgie22 said:
I judge the line up on it's own merits (as it should be). There will be people who haven't had the chance to play any of the games on any system yet.

Going with that logic the Autumn Indian or South African XBox 360 launch was probably the best line up ever. There was over 60 games and a myriad of arcade titles.

I judge a systems launch titles at its launch, not its delayed, staggered launch.

It's a good list, but at six months old it really should be.

Joebob · 6 Feb 2007 at 22:02

smcshaw said:
Going with that logic the Autumn Indian or South African XBox 360 launch was probably the best line up ever. There was over 60 games and a myriad of arcade titles.

I judge a systems launch titles at its launch, not its delayed, staggered launch.

It's a good list, but at six months old it really should be.

I would actually judge a systems launch lineup from the launch in your own country... how does a launch line up in India or South Africa effect you if you live in the UK??? Or how did the launch lineup in the states effect you if you weren't importing a console???

Console launches (until recently) have always been staggered for the UK and we have always benefited from a better launch lineup than other countries because of this. You're argument tbh just sounds like you are being really pedantic!

wedgie · 6 Feb 2007 at 23:08

smcshaw said:
Going with that logic the Autumn Indian or South African XBox 360 launch was probably the best line up ever. There was over 60 games and a myriad of arcade titles.

I judge a systems launch titles at its launch, not its delayed, staggered launch.

It's a good list, but at six months old it really should be.

What have Indian or South African launch line ups got to do with UK launch line ups?

Forget all your excuses about games being old and available on other systems, find me a UK launch line up for any other system that comes close to that.

It's easy to pick holes in it when you're looking for them. I could say the same thing as you, a lot of those games i've already had access to so I wont be tempted by them. That doesn't mean they're not quality games.

wannabedamned · 7 Feb 2007 at 00:49

Good looking launch line up

Oakesy2001uk · 7 Feb 2007 at 10:00

Nothing on that lineup would make me stump up for a PS3 though. As it stands I will probably buy annother 360 in the next few weeks.

MoNkeE · 7 Feb 2007 at 10:33

From the perspective of a user without a 'Next-Gen' console, it's a fantastic line-up. As others have said, there's a lot of very solid and very polished games available - which without doubt beats the original line-up for both the 360 and the Wii put together.

From the perspective of someone who owns a 360, it's a poor line-up. The vast majority of the games have been available on the 360 for a good few months - well over 6 months for others (Oblivion, I believe - as well as FN3 etc)! Can't see many 360 owners puchasing a PS3 any time soon.

From the perspective of a Wii owner, I just can't see them choosing the PS3 over a 360. How many casual gamers will likely pay £425 for a console where the majority of the price inflation comes from a propriety format they don’t necessarily support, or a HDD they don't necessarily need? That's not to say both of those features aren't valuable to the console - but will the casual gamer be willing to pay more for it? Bare in mind if you add two games onto that, you're likely paying just over £500.

I'd like people to imagine that I put the phrases "allegedly", "in my opinion" and "as far as I can see" in there just I don't get called a fan boy or that I'm incorrect/forcing my opinion as fact

-RaZ

Oakesy2001uk · 7 Feb 2007 at 11:15

But surely if the argument is its is good if you dont already have a 360.... well that can be fixed for a lot less than the price of a PS3, by buying a 360! Yes it is a good launch lineup, but if you take away the 360 ports which you can get on a chaeper console, it is pants! You could get a 360 and about 6 great games band new for the price of a PS3 with nothing.....

I just think at the moment (maybe not in the future) the only reason to buy a PS3, is if you want the Blue ray, or you are a fanboy. It is not the better console and does not have anywhere near the games lineup. Exclusives are fast running out or have excellent equivalents.

I am not a fanboy as I have neither, but I think I will buy annother 360 in the next month or so.
When thinking rationally, there is absolutely no reason for me and I suspect a lot of others to spend the extra money.
The badge is the only thing saving them!

Joebob · 7 Feb 2007 at 11:43

Oakesy2001uk said:
But surely if the argument is its is good if you dont already have a 360....

I don't think anyone was trying to start an argument tbh, people were just commenting that it's a good launch lineup for the PS3 in europe! Why does it always need to break down into a 'you should get a 360 instead' argument?

wannabedamned · 7 Feb 2007 at 11:45

Joebob said:
I don't think anyone was trying to start an argument tbh, people were just commenting that it's a good launch lineup for the PS3 in europe! Why does it always need to break down into a 'you should get a 360 instead' argument?

because people are a pain in the butt

FrankJH · 7 Feb 2007 at 12:03

MoNkeE said:
From the perspective of a user without a 'Next-Gen' console, it's a fantastic line-up. As others have said, there's a lot of very solid and very polished games available - which without doubt beats the original line-up for both the 360 and the Wii put together.

From the perspective of someone who owns a 360, it's a poor line-up. The vast majority of the games have been available on the 360 for a good few months - well over 6 months for others (Oblivion, I believe - as well as FN3 etc)! Can't see many 360 owners puchasing a PS3 any time soon.

From the perspective of a Wii owner, I just can't see them choosing the PS3 over a 360. How many casual gamers will likely pay £425 for a console where the majority of the price inflation comes from a propriety format they don’t necessarily support, or a HDD they don't necessarily need? That's not to say both of those features aren't valuable to the console - but will the casual gamer be willing to pay more for it? Bare in mind if you add two games onto that, you're likely paying just over £500.

I'd like people to imagine that I put the phrases "allegedly", "in my opinion" and "as far as I can see" in there just I don't get called a fan boy or that I'm incorrect/forcing my opinion as fact

-RaZ

But then it isnt just a games console - so you are ignoring at least 50% of the potential customers to start with

In my opinion I reckon that a hdd is a necessity rather than a luxery in most electronic items nowadays, and within the time scale of this console I think its only fair to include it in the original price (with usb ports available for extending the storage capacity if required) rather than paying hand over fist for relatively small capacity.

The above doesnt stop me agreeing with you in regards to the quality of the original line up - I would classify it as interesting with occassional points of intriugiing titles but nothing really "must have" but thats what some where saying about the 360 titles at launch.

Hopefully WipeOut will come along for Xmas 2007 along with some other really premier titles as well as some top class movies

Who knows by the time its phased out maybe the PS3 will be more of a media centre than a games machine

Oakesy2001uk · 7 Feb 2007 at 12:08

Joebob said:
I don't think anyone was trying to start an argument tbh, people were just commenting that it's a good launch lineup for the PS3 in europe! Why does it always need to break down into a 'you should get a 360 instead' argument?

I didn't mean it in terms of having an argument, I just meant the argument for buying PS3 over a 360 at them moment only has one winner. A launch line up full of ported 360 and PC games does nothing to change that. How can it be good when you can get most of them on a console that is far cheaper?

MoNkeE · 7 Feb 2007 at 12:15

FrankJH said:
But then it isnt just a games console - so you are ignoring at least 50% of the potential customers to start with

That's why my opinions were explicitely aimed at casual gamers - which make up a much larger preportion of their target audience then you seem to think. I'd be very - nay, extreme surprised if the casual gamers who wanted it just as a console were only 50% of the target audience. The people who want to use it as either a media center or Blu-Ray player are, whilst not exactly few-and-far-between, still very much so in the minority.

FrankJH said:
In my opinion I reckon that a hdd is a necessity rather than a luxery in most electronic items nowadays, and within the time scale of this console I think its only fair to include it in the original price (with usb ports available for extending the storage capacity if required) rather than paying hand over fist for relatively small capacity.

I don't disagree that the HDD is a necessity - but paying more for a 60GB rather than the 360's 20GB HDD is the issue. When it comes to save data and downloading demoes, 20GB is more than ample enough. The only way you can truly justify having 60GB is by saying that the PS3 'installs' portions of games on to the HDD to aide loading times. Now, the problem with that argument is that it's a compromise to a short-coming from the console itself; the blu-ray drive - whilst very spacious - has much slower seek/access times compared to standard DVD drives, and as such suffer from long loading times in games.

This, in my opinion, is why the price is unfair - we're having to pay more for a 60GB HDD to compensate for the extended load times caused by Sony insisting on using Blu-Ray.

FrankJH said:
The above doesnt stop me agreeing with you in regards to the quality of the original line up - I would classify it as interesting with occassional points of intriugiing titles but nothing really "must have" but thats what some where saying about the 360 titles at launch.

Hopefully WipeOut will come along for Xmas 2007 along with some other really premier titles as well as some top class movies

There I'm 100% in agreement with you. One thing I don't know is the few months after the launch date. The 360 didn't have a particularly good line-up what-so-ever. The really fun games came out 2 - 3 months after the console launched (such as Fight Night 3), so developers may be able to do the same for the PS3.

FrankJH said:
Who knows by the time its phased out maybe the PS3 will be more of a media centre than a games machine

I can't see that happening at all. I'm not sure like-for-like, but the 360 has some pretty good multimedia functions itself, and whilst a lot of people use it to watch DVDs, a tiny minority use it as their media centre. I certainly don't stream music or videos from mine, and don't know anyone else who does! In this respect, the 360 bombed, and I'm of the opinion the PS3 will follow suit

-RaZ

Abooie · 7 Feb 2007 at 12:21

MoNkeE said:
That's why my opinions were explicitely aimed at casual gamers - which make up a much larger preportion of their target audience then you seem to think. I'd be very - nay, extreme surprised if the casual gamers who wanted it just as a console were only 50% of the target audience. The people who want to use it as either a media center or Blu-Ray player are, whilst not exactly few-and-far-between, still very much so in the minority.

Exactly.

I personally use the 360s media streaming but I am in the minority and I'm a bit of a tech head. I also have my 360 in my lounge so it is the central hub. I don't have many friends who are even the slightest bit interested in this. They want a games console. Something to play PES on.

Now, if people are struggling to get round to using media connect with a Windows PC, I don't know how you think 50% of people are going to buy a blu tooth keyboard and mouse and install linux!

Snow-Munki · 7 Feb 2007 at 13:48

How many 360's and Wii's did the UK get compared to the 22,000 PS3's ??

Metalface Mark · 7 Feb 2007 at 13:57

Does the PS3 play Divx and HD stuff straight out the box, or is it a bit of a hassle like on the 360?

FrankJH · 7 Feb 2007 at 18:07

MoNkeE said:
That's why my opinions were explicitely aimed at casual gamers - which make up a much larger preportion of their target audience then you seem to think. I'd be very - nay, extreme surprised if the casual gamers who wanted it just as a console were only 50% of the target audience. The people who want to use it as either a media center or Blu-Ray player are, whilst not exactly few-and-far-between, still very much so in the minority.

Not at all, 1stly this console is going to be around for 4 or five years - so its more than likely that by the end of this period more people will be using it as a hi-def source than soley a games machine. Think of the uptake of hidef tv's before the world cup - everyone and his dog wanted one and therefore as this is one of the cheapest routes to a fully fledged hi-def movie experience, not to mention being able to replace your cd player and standard dvd player I think its more than likely to become a general source more than just something for games.

This is even without the rumoured linux usages which may interest even more people in one way or another.

In one sense the POTENTIAL games market is relatively fixed (even if its constantly changing with some growing out of it and others growing into it) but multiples of this group are interested in hidef audio or video entertainment.

MoNkeE said:
I don't disagree that the HDD is a necessity - but paying more for a 60GB rather than the 360's 20GB HDD is the issue. When it comes to save data and downloading demoes, 20GB is more than ample enough. The only way you can truly justify having 60GB is by saying that the PS3 'installs' portions of games on to the HDD to aide loading times. Now, the problem with that argument is that it's a compromise to a short-coming from the console itself; the blu-ray drive - whilst very spacious - has much slower seek/access times compared to standard DVD drives, and as such suffer from long loading times in games.

This, in my opinion, is why the price is unfair - we're having to pay more for a 60GB HDD to compensate for the extended load times caused by Sony insisting on using Blu-Ray.

How can you possibly know how much you are paying for the internal 60GB hdd? Even if you do know do you seriously think £70 for an external 20GB hdd is a fair price (when it should cost no more than about £30 or so for basically End Of Life units like this with cheap caddy's and usb connectors to be added) ? This is MS making money hand over fist

I actually plan on putting all my 30GB of music on the hdd and using it as parties for a source, or in the same style as Vista if an add-on appears being able to browse movies - the limits of whats available are down to what Sony allow to be used (again without considering Linux being the OS and then limits ARE endless)

You keep on thinking JUST as a gamer when this unit is more of a general PC or entertainment hub.

By the way I seem to remember the same "compromise" coming up when PS2 was launched in laoding times etc, hmmmmm now please remind me what happened there???? Programmers got better at taking advantage of what was available and it ended up beating everything else in the market place for 5 or 6 years

MoNkeE said:
I can't see that happening at all. I'm not sure like-for-like, but the 360 has some pretty good multimedia functions itself, and whilst a lot of people use it to watch DVDs, a tiny minority use it as their media centre. I certainly don't stream music or videos from mine, and don't know anyone else who does! In this respect, the 360 bombed, and I'm of the opinion the PS3 will follow suit

-RaZ

Yes it does - but you pay extortionate amounts for add on bits (not to mention numerous power supplies, cables, marketing, distribution costs added to each device) and in the quantities MS produce there is just no excuse for the add-ons being so expensive

Im the first to admit that I have just bought a hd-dvd drive and about 8 films but its going nowhere near the 360 as I have a pretty decent shuttle attached to my large tv and why bother adding the X360 (another noise source and louder than my shutttle) which I will probably end up selling anyway - how the hell can you say anything has bombed in the 1st year of its life when the developers are only just starting to extract the units potential? Thats ludicrous in such a long proposed / expected life span

I am more disappointed with BOTH systems in the price / proposed price of the software, if the marketing / sales team of which ever system forced games to be max of £40 street value (recommended £35) I can gaurentee that more than enough extra copies would be sold to compensate - £50 to my mind is too much and this is where both Sony and MS have made a huge mistake .

REDD555 · 7 Feb 2007 at 18:26

PS3 =
Next Gen Console with ample power
60Gb of storage
Blu-Ray HD (full 1080p) player
Wi-Fi ready
Wireless controllers and charge cables included
Quiet as a mouse (if I remember from previews and owners comments).
Size of a house but all encased in one box
£425 thanks very much.

Xbox360 =
Next Gen Console with ample power
20Gb of storage
Wireless controller
Noisy as a freight train and external "brick" to power it up.
£280
+
HD-Drive (720p up to 1080i max) around £80
+
Play and Charge Kit around £16
+
Wi-Fi adaptor around £60.

Suppose there are some good bundle deals about but remember that it's been out over a year so should be expected really.
Not much in the prices then all things considered?

Abooie · 7 Feb 2007 at 18:43

REDD555 said:
PS3 =
Next Gen Console with ample power
60Gb of storage
Blu-Ray HD (full 1080p) player
Wi-Fi ready
Wireless controllers and charge cables included
Quiet as a mouse (if I remember from previews and owners comments).
Size of a house but all encased in one box
£425 thanks very much.

Xbox360 =
Next Gen Console with ample power
20Gb of storage
Wireless controller
Noisy as a freight train and external "brick" to power it up.
£280
+
HD-Drive (720p up to 1080i max) around £80
+
Play and Charge Kit around £16
+
Wi-Fi adaptor around £60.

Suppose there are some good bundle deals about but remember that it's been out over a year so should be expected really.
Not much in the prices then all things considered?

Oh gawd, not another one of these posts...

Yes, if you say so, £425, £18 for a component cable, then maybe £20 odd quid for a blu tooth headset. (£463) vs. £280 or £230 for a core + mem card all in to play the same games.

Sorry I forget, in PS3 fan boy world everyone needs wifi, blu ray, no head set, 40GB for game installation. an internal power supply and are happy to connect via composite.

The PS3 is a great console, will have some fantastic games, just don't try and tell me it's cheaper for what I and 90% of people need.

wannabedamned · 7 Feb 2007 at 18:48

>> Oh Gawd not another one of these posts. <<

Will people who arent interested in a PS3 just go away?

And people who are interested stay?

Yes you have an opinon. But why does everyone who doesnt want a PS3 and doesnt like the spec have to convert everyone else? Is it a cult we arent aware of??