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my aren't we grumpy this morning!Slam62 said:
i reckon there are around 800 that mention the ps3, but only around 100 actually discussing it.Zefan said:
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PS3, Where is it?
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NokkonWud said:
I don't think they explicitly promised these things, they were just being optimistic like any company. All of this stuff was announced a whole 18 months before the actual release of the PS3, so its not surprising that it changed.
Who would need any of these parts anyway? Most people find it hard enough to afford one HDTV, never mind 2! The dual screen idea was never going to be mainstream, so one HDMI is all thats needed.
They also said that the PS3 can handle 7 Bluetooth devices, which it can. As for controllers, it can have 4 wireless and 4 wired, which is more than enough.
I also don't recall them promising that all games will be 1080p, they only said that PS3 has the capability to output games in 1080p, which it does.
The 3 ethernet ports were at first intended to make the PS3 a router aswell, but this would be pointless since most people already have a router.
And as for the Wi-Fi only on the premium model, Sony have stated that everything on the cheaper model can be upgraded with non-official products. This means you can buy a cheap Wi-Fi adapter and use it with your PS3. Now just compare this to the Xbox 360; you can only buy the official adapter which is quite expensive, and that goes for both the core and premium models.
Btw, im not sure where Zip is getting his release date info from, since Sony have only given two release dates so far: May 2006, then delayed to November.
It seems the main reasons why its taken ages to be released are the Blu-ray drive and the low Cell Yields. It is also one of the most complicated and advanced pieces of consumer electronics ever made, considering the technology inside it. Also consider that the PS2 is still selling well all over the world.
At the moment, there are (unconfirmed) reports that the PS3 is already being produced and the components being shipped to manufacturers. Link
The official PS3 site gives a very clear specification list of both the 'core' and 'premium' models, here
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Johanson said:
There shouldnt be 18 months between announcement and actualisation. Wouldnt be surprised if their ludicrous initial ideas were the cause of the 18 months too though, at least they realised we dont need half of that ****.
To be honest, here's how I see these points:NokkonWud said:
7 Bluetooth
Pointless really, 4 is usually fine, and the vast majority of people are going to be using only 1 controller.
3 Ethernet ports
Pretty pointless again, we only need 1, as I'd have thought those with internet connections will already have routers and PCs, and if not, will probably just connect directly to the internet.
2* HDMI
Again, pointless as the vast vast majority of people are not going to hook up 2 HDTVs to their PS3, then again, I'd have thought the majority of TVs used would use either the component or SDTV connections.
1080p
Again, though it's nice to have, the majority of TVs out there can not display this setting, and to start it's only a gimmick for those rich people that will have a decent 1080p TV. 1080i will be just fine, and 720p, nothing wrong with that.
The only real bummer, to me really is the Wi-Fi, but MS are as guilty as Sony on that part, as we have to spend an extra £60 on having a Wi-Fi adapter. Just Sony add an extra £100 for for the basic system, which is the main problem. The no HDMI on the cheap version isn't all bad either as the analogue component HD will still output the same resolutions as HDMI, and I'd guess the general public wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway, or care.
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ofcourse it is gonna sell and it will sell well at launch because all the "hardocre" gamers will want one and will pay stupid amounts to get hold of one. After christmas though, how well will it sell? at that price its just not going too. Especially once the launch mania has settled down and the press and general public realise that it doesn't offer much more than the much cheaper xbox 360.
so i say, sell out at launch for sure, then (like the psp) within 6/8months a BIG slow down in sales.
so i say, sell out at launch for sure, then (like the psp) within 6/8months a BIG slow down in sales.
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Kamakazie! said:
Don't forget it has a strong brand name. Playstation has been around for 11 years, being the market leader the whole time. That alone can make it sell. If it was just a complete pile of crap, then brand name alone wouldn't help. But looking at the spec sheet, it is quite clearly not a pile of crap. It is also very likely that the cheaper version will also be released in the UK, but not at launch.
Some of the highlighted bits of info in this link may be relevant to this thread: link
It is an interview with the CEO of Nvidia.
Now i realise that what he is saying will most likely be biased, but that doesn't mean he's talking complete rubbish.
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Johanson said:
I'd hardly call postponing it by nearly a year and adding $200 for an un-needed, unready, non-main stream proprietary media format that's yet to prove it can even produce double layer disks a master stroke tbh. But then again 'i am' biased
lol - stupid Sony, they've never got anything right in the past. Pah.smcshaw said:
Why innovate when the easy option's right there - especially if the end result is beating the main competitor to the shelves in the next gen battle.
I say hats off to Sony - they've taken a big gamble with the tech they're using and if all goes well we'll benefit.
In direct reponse to that which I quoted, it's worth checking out the price of current BD drives. Prices for such drives will inevitably drop by November's release date but not by that much.
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* Sony are taking so long to get it out because it has included blu-ray (which isn't of much use at the moment, or likely to be of much use for a while yet)
* Nothing much
* It'll be like the Xbox 360, only much more expensive, with more expensive games and peripherals.
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Thats very uninformative tbh.
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On the contrary, the Xbox 360 can only use official peripherals such as the HDD and Wi-Fi adapter, which are quite expensive tbh. The PS3 will be able to use peripherals from almost any manufacturer. This includes USB hubs, wi-fi adapters, 2.5" hard drives etc. This gives more choice for the consumer, and obviously cheaper options.
Also consider the controller, which comes which the equivelent of an Xbox 360 play-and-charge kit. All PS3 controllers are wireless and come with a USB charger cable and an internal battery. Even if it cost as much as £40, it would still cost less than a wireless Xbox 360 controller and a play-and-charge kit.
I must admit though, the Xbox 360 also gives you cheaper options, such as the 64mb memory unit and the wired controller.
The Xbox360 can use ANY external hard-drive to play music or pictures from. The Xbox360 is also capable of using other Wi-Fi adapters I believe.Johanson said:
Sony have not announced HOW you will be able to use other HDD's, just that you will. Microsoft said the same thing.
Well, isn't that point null and void then if it's the same price?
Whilst I am certainly not anti-sony (not by a long stretch), I felt I had to voice an opinion here.
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Well i had to check, but it seems that the Xbox 360 can only use the official wireless USB adapter. Other USB adapters don't work. However, you can use Ethernet to Wireless Bridge adapters.NokkonWud said:
Sony have said that you will be able to upgrade the PS3's hard drive with a larger hard drive from any manufacturer, they have also said that the OS and other essential software will be stored on a small amount of flash memory inside the PS3, which is what makes the upgradable HDD possible.
I was trying to point out that the PS3 controller will probably be cheaper than the Xbox 360 controller. Having recently bought a 360, I soon realised that it would be better to buy a Play and Charge kit than to use normal batteries. This cost £15. I then purchased another wireless controller, along with another battery pack, costing £40. With the PS3 controller, the battery pack and wire for charging are standard with every controller, which means i won't have to buy any extra parts.
I can see this going on forever
