PSN Pass

V4NT0M · 6 Jul 2011 at 15:54

I hate the way this is all going at the moment with the online content codes. Not only a pain for pre-owned sales but an issue for rentals too.

It's annoying because publishers seem to think it's a terrible situation and act like no one is making any money because of pre-owned sales. If they're going to adopt this wholesale then they need to make it more reasonable for retailers to sell new games at lower prices.

They're getting to be like the record companies with their archaic ways and senseless DRM.

biron_w · 6 Jul 2011 at 17:05

Skyfall said:
I hate the way this is all going at the moment with the online content codes. Not only a pain for pre-owned sales but an issue for rentals too.

It's annoying because publishers seem to think it's a terrible situation and act like no one is making any money because of pre-owned sales. If they're going to adopt this wholesale then they need to make it more reasonable for retailers to sell new games at lower prices.

They're getting to be like the record companies with their archaic ways and senseless DRM.

I agree and disagree with you

I don't see the problem with publishers trying to make money from second hand games. Especially when a lot of shops will try to promote used game sales over new to maximise their profit.
However,I do agree that publishers should charge less for games so people are more inclined to buy new games.

Alpherah · 6 Jul 2011 at 17:14

Basically, the changes to online pass systems has resulted in only purchasing the 'must buy' titles.
Previously i would often pick a slightly older game up second hand (no $$$ for developers), but then buy all the DLC (a fair bit of $$$ for developers!), now they wont be getting anything from me because most people cant justify/afford to buy, new, £45+ titles 16 times+ a year.

muttler · 6 Jul 2011 at 19:57

Sony just announced, it's official:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-06-sony-makes-psn-pass-official

TheVoice · 6 Jul 2011 at 20:23

New games get so cheap so quickly these days that pre-owned games have become rather irrelevant now, for me at least.

Alpherah said:
Basically, the changes to online pass systems has resulted in only purchasing the 'must buy' titles.
Previously i would often pick a slightly older game up second hand (no $$$ for developers), but then buy all the DLC (a fair bit of $$$ for developers!), now they wont be getting anything from me because most people cant justify/afford to buy, new, £45+ titles 16 times+ a year.

So pick up the slightly older games at £25-30, which they often are just a few weeks after release. Nobody with any sense pays £45 for a game.

gothic_hobbit · 6 Jul 2011 at 20:24

muttler said:
Sony just announced, it's official:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-06-sony-makes-psn-pass-official

So they have gone down the EA route.

V4NT0M · 6 Jul 2011 at 21:00

biron_w said:
I agree and disagree with you
I don't see the problem with publishers trying to make money from second hand games. Especially when a lot of shops will try to promote used game sales over new to maximise their profit.
However,I do agree that publishers should charge less for games so people are more inclined to buy new games.

The problem I is that the only reason they are making this move is because they can. There doesn't seem to be as much hooha about second hand TVs or second hand cameras.

One More Solo · 6 Jul 2011 at 21:08

Skyfall said:
The problem I is that the only reason they are making this move is because they can. There doesn't seem to be as much hooha about second hand TVs or second hand cameras.

Because at the moment there is no incentive to buy new games over second hand games. You'd buy a new TV over a second hand one because you get a guarantee and so on.

CliffyBiro · 6 Jul 2011 at 21:11

This sucks monkey balls.

ps3ud0 · 6 Jul 2011 at 21:12

Skyfall said:
The problem I is that the only reason they are making this move is because they can. There doesn't seem to be as much hooha about second hand TVs or second hand cameras.

Problem is such products have been around for decades - something like games (or any digital medium) is a different class of IP and we are just living in an age where such decisions are being made in how they are sold and copyrights/IP are enforced...

We will eventually see it play out that the 2nd hand market dies and games companies will notice reduced sales as people that cant 'buy and try, then sell' games will just buy less titles and to maintain those sales theyll have to start reducing prices accordingly. Its not a real surprise that games go so cheap so quickly nowadays, if thats their real commercial worth we will just get to the point where launch pricing is nearer that floor...

ps3ud0 :cool:

Thesnipergecko · 6 Jul 2011 at 23:27

skippi90 said:
This sucks monkey balls.

K1LLSW1TCH · 6 Jul 2011 at 23:34

Unless you're the penny pinching type who picks all of your stuff up second hand who actually cares? Most games come down in price so quickly that this isn't going to matter one jot. People just like to have something to complain about.

V4NT0M · 6 Jul 2011 at 23:58

K1LLSW1TCH said:
Unless you're the penny pinching type who picks all of your stuff up second hand who actually cares? Most games come down in price so quickly that this isn't going to matter one jot. People just like to have something to complain about.

I really don't know how to reply to this, if it was such a small issue games publishers would not be doing this in the first place.

Aside from the fact that the game you buy will be worth less if you sell it on and it is basically inflating game prices it will, if adapted by all cut a big hole in the rental market where I get 99% of my games from and hundred of thousands and probably millions of others do.

K1LLSW1TCH · 7 Jul 2011 at 00:04

I can see your point about rental games and it's something I hadn't considered.

As for the second hand market though, most of the second hand games in the high street shops round here aren't that much cheaper than the new versions, in fact some are more expensive. The other day I went into GAME to buy PES 2011, the guy only had pre-owned copies and said they were £21, but if I waited for new stock to arrive then a brand new sealed copy was only £20.

What about Fallout New Vegas too? In store that was only marginally more expensive than the pre-owned version, and when I say marginally I mean a couple of £ difference. Nowadays things are so cheap so soon after launching that I don't see the need to buy second hand games, and I'm not exactly rolling in cash.

Also the supermarkets usually have great deals on the more popular multiplayer games at launch, such as CoD. With Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's and whoever else trying to outdo each other on price I think that the second hand market isn't really as bargainlicious as a lot of people make out. As for trade in prices you usually get shafted either way. I went into GAME today and was offered £50 cash for a new 4GB 360, and only £100 cash for a hardly used Nintendo 3DS...

V4NT0M · 7 Jul 2011 at 00:16

I guess it depends on where you go and what games you're looking at. After buying a PS3 last month I bought a good few cheap second hand titles, if I went new instead of second hand I would have had to spend twice as much at the very least.

K1LLSW1TCH · 7 Jul 2011 at 00:19

Skyfall said:
I guess it depends on where you go and what games you're looking at. After buying a PS3 last month I bought a good few cheap second hand titles, if I went new instead of second hand I would have had to spend twice as much at the very least.

Indeed. In slightly related news the 160GB PS3 has shot up in price.

So much so that the 160GB on OcUK is actually not badly priced...

V4NT0M · 7 Jul 2011 at 00:24

Surprise surprise I bought my PS3 reconditioned

K1LLSW1TCH · 7 Jul 2011 at 00:28

Skyfall said:
Surprise surprise I bought my PS3 reconditioned

Direct from Sony or...?

I need one again, my urge for the exclusives is too strong to resist.

Alpherah · 7 Jul 2011 at 00:45

K1LLSW1TCH said:
I can see your point about rental games and it's something I hadn't considered.

As for the second hand market though, most of the second hand games in the high street shops round here aren't that much cheaper than the new versions, in fact some are more expensive. The other day I went into GAME to buy PES 2011, the guy only had pre-owned copies and said they were £21, but if I waited for new stock to arrive then a brand new sealed copy was only £20.

What about Fallout New Vegas too? In store that was only marginally more expensive than the pre-owned version, and when I say marginally I mean a couple of £ difference. Nowadays things are so cheap so soon after launching that I don't see the need to buy second hand games, and I'm not exactly rolling in cash.

Also the supermarkets usually have great deals on the more popular multiplayer games at launch, such as CoD. With Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's and whoever else trying to outdo each other on price I think that the second hand market isn't really as bargainlicious as a lot of people make out. As for trade in prices you usually get shafted either way. I went into GAME today and was offered £50 cash for a new 4GB 360, and only £100 cash for a hardly used Nintendo 3DS...

Where i live MW2 is still £35 new..
even though the same store's online prices are much lower as of last week anyway.

K1LLSW1TCH · 7 Jul 2011 at 00:48

Alpherah said:
Where i live MW2 is still £35 new..
even though the same store's online prices are much lower as of last week anyway.

Think it was £20 for the PS3 version when I was there the other day. CoD games seem to hold their value. It's best to get them during the launch deals I reckon.