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Public sector - the people who whine most about tax, then want big pay rises.
Public Sector pay rise 2023
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Well if it's any consolation, a huge amount of their pay eventually goes back as tax anyway.
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How do you expect the public sector to employ the skills it needs of it can’t compete with the private sector? I am walking about overall package, not just headline salary.
The perks are irrelevant if they are £20k+ down on pay for a skilled lawyer, accountant, developer and probably over £100k down on something like a chief executive position compared to the private sector.
What are the perks everyone keeps mentioning? Look on their job sites, you get a pension and 5 weeks leave for a new entrant, that’s it. It cracks me up sometimes when they throw in cycle to work scheme as a perk.
Good employers already offer the same leave entitlement and increase it with length of service. Less stress? Really…?
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Unless a "huge amount" is close to 100% of their pay or increase (which 100% comes from tax) then I get very confused how people ever use this as an argument for paying them more. If you give me 20 quid then I'll give you a huge amount back
Unless a "huge amount" is close to 100% of their pay or increase (which 100% comes from tax) then I get very confused how people ever use this as an argument for paying them more. If you give me 20 quid then I'll give you a huge amount back
Because it massively diminishes (not cancels out entirely) the costs of paying people more.
Unless a "huge amount" is close to 100% of their pay or increase (which 100% comes from tax) then I get very confused how people ever use this as an argument for paying them more. If you give me 20 quid then I'll give you a huge amount back
We are taxed into the ground in the UK that includes public sector workers.
Not really no. Taxes are objectively lower here than the vast majority of Europe.
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Not really no. Taxes are objectively lower here than the vast majority of Europe.
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All of which are high tax countries, next.
They don't I guess... They just have to get the best they possibly can. Could be a reason why so many public sector projects are a shambles.
Ding ding ding - we have a winner.
The age old adage, pay peanuts….
You claim we are taxed into the ground here, I point out and evidence that taxes in the U.K. are well below average. You dismiss it because the evidence contradicts your view.
Taxes in the U.K. are higher than they have been but that doesn’t make them high and in fact they are still well below average. If you can’t accept that, I think we’re done.
Average of high tax countries does not mean low tax.
I dismiss it because it's nonsense.
It’s not an average of high tax countries, those countries with higher tax rates are almost all in Europe who’s economies are directly comparable to our own.
Half of the countries below is on the list are middle or lower income countries with a developing economy. There isn’t an anyone missing from the list (OECD members) whose economy isn’t directly comparable to our own. You wouldn’t want to live in the vast majority of those not on the list for really obvious reasons.
I’m sorry if you can’t accept reality.
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Where is this?Don't forget 3 x weekly phys sessions, 12 'o' clock finishes on a Friday and 10 'o' clock starts if you've had a heavy sesh the night before
Time off for FD/AT etc - some of the young people i work with still whinge, they don't know how lucky they have it.
I certainly don't have any of that.
Although I am happy with my 7.5% pay rise.
You: We don't have high tax because these others ones have lower.
Me: That doesn't mean ours isn't low.
You: OMG you can't accept reality.
OK mate, OK.
Soldato
I think there's a difference, some countries take tax and put it to good use in infrastructure, services and the like in a kind of social capitalism.
The UK takes tax, squanders it and sees it disappear to shareholders, businesses that fail and dodgy contracts while a small number of people benefit in an ever increasing style of oligarchic capitalism.
We continually privatise profits and nationalise debt.
Edit: There seems to be more outcry over people providing essential services finally getting a pay rise than there is over billions that just gets wasted/disappeared from the greater society. It's absurd.
The UK takes tax, squanders it and sees it disappear to shareholders, businesses that fail and dodgy contracts while a small number of people benefit in an ever increasing style of oligarchic capitalism.
We continually privatise profits and nationalise debt.
Edit: There seems to be more outcry over people providing essential services finally getting a pay rise than there is over billions that just gets wasted/disappeared from the greater society. It's absurd.
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