You shouldn't really, as it has no legal precedense. If I was using torrent at all, I would let them try and prove that what I was downloading was actually what they think it was. I'd make it at least £300 worth of entertainment and adrenaline show for myself.
Publishers to fine 25,000 game pirates
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You shouldn't really, as it has no legal precedense. If I was using torrent at all, I would let them try and prove that what I was downloading was actually what they think it was. I'd make it at least £300 worth of entertainment and adrenaline show for myself.
In no way did i justify it, i just stated most people have probably done it, as you said i probably exagerated a little but still most people have done it in one form or another. You are putting words into my mouth to justify your own response. Maybe i shouldnt have used an exact figure as it seems to have drifted from my point.
Oh do be quiet.
Tell you what, I'll actually send an email to a publishing house stating that years before I bought their software, I pirated it.
What are you expecting, a SWAT team to turn up at my flat?
lol, fair enough
My point was mainly to say that I'd in no way try to squirm my way out. My hands are up, I'm being honest about what I did rather than whining that I finally got caught.(by the way you argued about it you would think a swat team would be the case)
Yes sir! i grow tired of the argument anyway. People who get caught deserve to get caught, the criminals motto. With that i bid this thread good day.
They don't just have speculation, they generally have proof that someone commited a breach of copyright. They then make an offer to settle outside of court, you can choose not to take it and run the risk of a court case that may or may not happen.
Has anyone not thought about two things on this
1. this case hasnt been appealed yet, for all we know the fine might be cut or thrown out
2. this is a civil case, if you get the 16k fine, forget it, move to another country, goodbye fine. I know for some this would be tough but i know for 16k i would leave the UK to the Polish and Asians
1. this case hasnt been appealed yet, for all we know the fine might be cut or thrown out
2. this is a civil case, if you get the 16k fine, forget it, move to another country, goodbye fine. I know for some this would be tough but i know for 16k i would leave the UK to the Polish and Asians
Has anyone not thought about two things on this
1. this case hasnt been appealed yet, for all we know the fine might be cut or thrown out
2. this is a civil case, if you get the 16k fine, forget it, move to another country, goodbye fine. I know for some this would be tough but i know for 16k i would leave the UK to the Polish and Asians
£300 fine
But this could soon snowball in the future into every area of dl for which i know there will be hell of a lot of problems.
If you look at games sales figures the same games are consistently top in Germany and Canada as they are here. That, to me, would imply that the consumer is not noticeably different when it comes to games sales.
It really wouldn't be. I was saying they are the same based on being intangibles (IP) locked in a tangible (CD/DVD). The only comparisons that can be drawn in this regard is thus between music, software (including games) and films.
I don't think cost is the reason itunes is successful certainly. The key reason sighted for people using itunes is ease of use and the ability to buy single songs on albums rather than the whole album. My point is that price, as long as it is perceived as reasonable, is no longer the hugely key factor for consumers that it once was.
That's simply not true. A modern CD might cost £2-3 million all in, which is roughly the same as video games (average of around £2-4 million according to the BBC).
To conclude, data on the effects of piracy on music, films or software is as useful for one field as the other. Each of these markets fundamentally operate in the same manner and each is fundamentally selling the same product - IP.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here.
Only the crap ones then.
So codemasters publish unlicensed modded games for the nes and then complain that people are stealing their work? Such hypocrisy. Doesn't suprise me though, they can't make any decent games so they try to make some money by fining people.
Isp's only keep traffic logs for 1 year, without such logs there is nothing companies can do.
They don't, the industry is only worth around $3bn and the new youtube like sites which allow people to upload their own material have severely impacted the old business models. Nothing to do with piracy though.
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Those figures are way out for this generation of consoles. Even lower budget games are topping £6 million nowadays (GRID for example - and that was just development, no marketing spend etc).
If the whole thing gets thrown out then IP owners will find another way to protect their property.
If not it'll be interesting to see how many people here (assuming they get a letter) decide to go to court based on the advice they've been given on this forum by a few knowledgeable posters on what are supposed to be rock solid defences.
If it all goes boobies up it wouldn't surprise me if we saw a bit of legal action going on round here to recover some of the the costs. Lets face it, if you're happy to rip off someone elses work, and confident enough to try to fight it in court you're not likely to have a problem trying to get money out of someone that gave you advice about an apparently water tight defence if you end up with £16k out of pocket instead of £300.
Of course it might all just go away with no one successfully prosecuted... Hopefully at least it will make casual pirates think twice about downloading, leaving the IP owners to go after the big commercial pirates.
Fingers crossed no one here is effected, it might be stating the bleeding obvious but if anyone gets a letter and decides not to pay up based on "advice" here, take professional legal advice, don't ignore it.
If not it'll be interesting to see how many people here (assuming they get a letter) decide to go to court based on the advice they've been given on this forum by a few knowledgeable posters on what are supposed to be rock solid defences.
If it all goes boobies up it wouldn't surprise me if we saw a bit of legal action going on round here to recover some of the the costs. Lets face it, if you're happy to rip off someone elses work, and confident enough to try to fight it in court you're not likely to have a problem trying to get money out of someone that gave you advice about an apparently water tight defence if you end up with £16k out of pocket instead of £300.
Of course it might all just go away with no one successfully prosecuted... Hopefully at least it will make casual pirates think twice about downloading, leaving the IP owners to go after the big commercial pirates.
Fingers crossed no one here is effected, it might be stating the bleeding obvious but if anyone gets a letter and decides not to pay up based on "advice" here, take professional legal advice, don't ignore it.
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pornography is pirated far more though.
the same ppl who are moaning about others for pirating games will be pirating pornography themselves. they are porno thieves
speaks the high and mighty one....have u never watched/downloaded copyrighted material onto your computer without paying for it ?
have a good think before you answer