Put the bong down son - A few randon physics thoughts (probably completely wrong)

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No I'm not drunk today (yet). I'm just bored. I know I'm completely wrong about the below ideas. But I've been wondering about a few things and thought I'd thrown them out here. So come at me bro. Blow them apart with actual facts rather than my casual musings :)

1) Why this universe is 'just right' to support the formation of stars, planets and life... I believe that we are in just one universe of many. But unlike the typical multiverse theory I suspect we may be in a family tree of universes. Each universe has a parent and many children which bud off from the them. Just like in a family tree of plants or animals, a child universe would inherit some characteristics of the parent and alter them slightly. So while each universe may have subtly different laws of physics, this one is 'just right' to form what we need for stars, galaxies, planets and life. Other universes which aren't as 'successful' may collapse into themselves or evaporate. Survival of the fittest.

2) Our universe may not be expanding. Instead it might be contracting... If our universe is expanding then the natural question is "what is it expanding into?". Well maybe it isn't expanding. Maybe the boundaries of our universe are relatively fixed. But the size of matter is contracting which results in the distance between matter getting larger. As a very, very small scale this may not be noticeable to us, or at the atomic level atoms compress closer to reduce those gaps. But over vast distances it looks like it's expanding.

3) Universes might be formed inside black holes... I know this is a common theory. But it may explain both of the above points. If they are formed inside black holes then it could explain how there would be a family tree of universes which eventually leads to one that can form correct structure and support life. It could also explain how our universe is expanding (extra matter being drawn into the black hole causing our universe to expand as the mass of the black hole in the parent universe increases) or even contracting (mavity from the parent universe compresses matter in this universe into a smaller and smaller space, resulting in the appearance of expansion above). I think that if this does turn out to be true then we will one day find evidence that the universe is expanding at different rates over time. We already believe that there was a period of rapid expansion at the start of the universe. But perhaps we will see evidence of different rates of expansion at other times too, as matter is sucked into the black hole in the parent universe.

4) Time may be expanding along with the universe... A common theory is that space and time are unified. If the universe is expanding then presumably time is expanding with it. While we usually describe time as linear, maybe it's actually a bubble. As the universe expands (or at least appears to expand) then time also expands with it. This would explain 'the past'. A growing bubble of time increases the volume of 'the past'. But there is no 'future' yet. Just like there is nothing beyond the edge of the universe there is no edge (or tomorrow) beyond the edge of the bubble of time. However as the bubble grows then everything inside it grows too.
 
What was the question?

Are you able to read more than 10 words without losing focus?


@Hades I highly recommend this video. It's not entirely on the topic of your musings but it's very informative and incredibly interesting (the whole channel is very good tbh, loads of cool stuff on there):

 
Are you able to read more than 10 words without losing focus?


@Hades I highly recommend this video. It's not entirely on the topic of your musings but it's very informative and incredibly interesting (the whole channel is very good tbh, loads of cool stuff on there):

Thanks, Will do.
 
You may also enjoy the Joe Rogan podcast with Sir Roger Penrose. They talk about some amazing stuff. For example... Civilizations from before the big bang, surviving into our universe in the form of information contained in protons.

 
No I'm not drunk today (yet). I'm just bored. I know I'm completely wrong about the below ideas. But I've been wondering about a few things and thought I'd thrown them out here. So come at me bro. Blow them apart with actual facts rather than my casual musings :)

1) Why this universe is 'just right' to support the formation of stars, planets and life...

It is what it is, which is likely pure chance, whether formed from a true multiverse, or from repeated expansions and contractions, but we are searching for evidence/echoes of this in the Cosmic Microwave background.

2) Our universe may not be expanding. Instead it might be contracting...
This is nonsense, and not a valid theory, as it would not explain red-shifted photons, which are lengthened in space/time only, with no matter interaction. Dismiss.

3) Universes might be formed inside black holes...
Again, we do not know about the singularity as such, but there is no actual proper Physics based theory which says this is possible/plausible. again, dismiss.

4) Time may be expanding along with the universe..
Again, this is not a credible theory at all, time is not expanding, and this is proven mathematically with special relativity equations and simple pythagorean distance theory.

I'd recommend doing some light reading/research, and you will find most of your musings are just that, and have been theorised and disproven to an extent. What is so wonderful about modern physics is that generally the hunches and theories turn out to be BANG ON, so we can safely assume (for now) the answers to your questions above.
 
2) What is it expanding into?

Space/time itself is expanding, asking what it is expanding into is not a valid question.
 
Space is not expanding into anything, the metric of space itself is increasing at an ever increasing rate and we know this is the case because of redshift, which is completely independent of size. The universe may well be expanding faster than the speed of light as a whole.
 
Actually we do not know what space is or is not expanding into, if anything. So you cannot say one way or another.

One theory is that we are in a multiverse, as part of one "single" universe, and each universe which has different laws of physics, is like a little expanding area in a much bigger area all in one larger single universe, if that makes any sense. Just that the distances between the different universes is so ultra mental, it would at present, be impossible to tell either way. (like galaxies are their own eco-system of stars, each universe would be like a Galaxy in the current universe, sharing a single space time fabric)

At least we have a good idea that the universe technically is finite to some degree, we just do not know what lies beyond the bounds in which photons could not travel in the period of early inflation/post inflation. But we will get a much better idea when seeing proto-galaxies from the James Webb when it is operational (fingers crossed).

More importantly and in the mean time, we need to crack on with understanding mavity, negative energy, and negative mass

Our best shot at finding out a lot more, is Infra-red from the James Webb, and also deeper understanding of the CMB, looking for patterns that might suggest multiverses.

If our universe had touched another, there would be a "cool" spot/patch in the CMB which could tell us things.

We might also have our first picture of the black hole at the centre of the galaxy soon, so that is quite impressive in itself.

The MATHS also support the idea that we are a projection, from information at the edges of the universe, as this is what calculus allows for also. What is interesting about most of these mathematical and theoretical postulations, is just how many of them become true about 100 years later, so nothing should be poo-poo'd or dismissed quite yet.

I am grateful every day that as we have such a huge amount of disgusting, greedy, self centered human beings on Earth, equally we have amazing people dedicating their careers, their lives, everything to finding out the answers to these fundamental and fascinating questions that ALL of us should be interested and captivated by.

When you have a true appreciation of the Universe and space, it makes you realise how pathetic various human traits and wars, and all the other BS we fight over, really is.

Sooner or later we WILL meet another civilisation, the maths says it is an impossibility not to, so that will be interesting.

Also just 2.5million years from now (blink of an eye in geological terms) Andromeda WILL collide with our Milkyway and the Earth will have one HELL of a light show. I would do anything to see that.
 
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no one knows anything for certain, its all guesswork and theories which work only within limits.

I am convinced none of these theories are remotely close. Dont have anything else to offer up though unfortunately.
 
2) Our universe may not be expanding. Instead it might be contracting... If our universe is expanding then the natural question is "what is it expanding into?". Well maybe it isn't expanding. Maybe the boundaries of our universe are relatively fixed. But the size of matter is contracting which results in the distance between matter getting larger. As a very, very small scale this may not be noticeable to us, or at the atomic level atoms compress closer to reduce those gaps. But over vast distances it looks like it's expanding.

Though kind of hard to understand as a concept it is likely space into expanding into anything what you are saying actually makes no sense at all though it seems at first to have meaning.

4) Time may be expanding along with the universe... A common theory is that space and time are unified. If the universe is expanding then presumably time is expanding with it. While we usually describe time as linear, maybe it's actually a bubble. As the universe expands (or at least appears to expand) then time also expands with it. This would explain 'the past'. A growing bubble of time increases the volume of 'the past'. But there is no 'future' yet. Just like there is nothing beyond the edge of the universe there is no edge (or tomorrow) beyond the edge of the bubble of time. However as the bubble grows then everything inside it grows too.

You seem to be mixing up two paths of thought there - from what little we do know it seems that the way this existence works depends a lot on the observer - it is probable I believe that the further away from an observer the universe becomes more "fuzzy" and less determined until something interacts with it - it is also potentially possible that there is a limit to how much even exists in any state until determined by an observer pushing the boundaries out. (If you can even partially figure out what I'm trying to get at here you probably can grasp the implications for quantum computing and the nature of a "bit" in quantum computing versus a traditional bit).
 
you want facts on a theoretical topic ? makes no sense. i do see how you work though. slightly skilled troll attempt. 3/10.
 
you want facts on a theoretical topic ? makes no sense. i do see how you work though. slightly skilled troll attempt. 3/10.

Cosmology isn't a exactly a theoretical topic, we know for a fact that the universe is expanding at an ever increasing rate.
 
Cosmology isn't a exactly a theoretical topic, we know for a fact that the universe is expanding at an ever increasing rate.

lol fact ha ha.

All we know is that our observations appear to be showing this. We dont know the underlying causes, the mechanics behind it, expanding into what? So really we know nothing at all and anything could be happening.
 
No I'm not drunk today (yet). I'm just bored. I know I'm completely wrong about the below ideas. But I've been wondering about a few things and thought I'd thrown them out here. So come at me bro. Blow them apart with actual facts rather than my casual musings :)

1) Why this universe is 'just right' to support the formation of stars, planets and life... I believe that we are in just one universe of many. But unlike the typical multiverse theory I suspect we may be in a family tree of universes. Each universe has a parent and many children which bud off from the them. Just like in a family tree of plants or animals, a child universe would inherit some characteristics of the parent and alter them slightly. So while each universe may have subtly different laws of physics, this one is 'just right' to form what we need for stars, galaxies, planets and life. Other universes which aren't as 'successful' may collapse into themselves or evaporate. Survival of the fittest.

It is possible that our universe is contained within another universe. And that our universe in turn contains further universes. Dimensions could be rolled up within a Black Hole and bud off further universes with their own Big Bangs. I first read about this concept in A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking. Whilst there's no suggestion of a mechanism by which universes are evaluated and pruned, it's possible they exist and are created.

2) Our universe may not be expanding. Instead it might be contracting... If our universe is expanding then the natural question is "what is it expanding into?". Well maybe it isn't expanding. Maybe the boundaries of our universe are relatively fixed. But the size of matter is contracting which results in the distance between matter getting larger. As a very, very small scale this may not be noticeable to us, or at the atomic level atoms compress closer to reduce those gaps. But over vast distances it looks like it's expanding.

Our universe may currently be expanding and the rate of that expansion will logically be slowing due to mavity. This may be too weak to ever fully stop it expanding, or it may be enough that ultimately it begins to. Oddly, if it is collapsing we may not know that as time itself could reverse along with the contraction. Regarding whether Space itself is expanding or the matter within it is shrinking, in Physics terms there is no distinction that I'm aware of. If the only thing that can define the size of matter is Space, then what is the difference between matter shrinking or Space expanding?

But in answer to what is Space expanding into? Well, nothing. Or perhaps Nothing. The Universe has an edge, but it is not an edge in Space but an edge in Time. It is the expanding bow-wave of Time that we look out towards. We live in / on a balloon that is ever growing. But who knows what it grows into? Perhaps there are other balloons. But with no dimensions outside the balloons could they ever touch?

3) Universes might be formed inside black holes... I know this is a common theory. But it may explain both of the above points. If they are formed inside black holes then it could explain how there would be a family tree of universes which eventually leads to one that can form correct structure and support life. It could also explain how our universe is expanding (extra matter being drawn into the black hole causing our universe to expand as the mass of the black hole in the parent universe increases) or even contracting (mavity from the parent universe compresses matter in this universe into a smaller and smaller space, resulting in the appearance of expansion above). I think that if this does turn out to be true then we will one day find evidence that the universe is expanding at different rates over time. We already believe that there was a period of rapid expansion at the start of the universe. But perhaps we will see evidence of different rates of expansion at other times too, as matter is sucked into the black hole in the parent universe.

I should have read the whole post before replying to points #1 and #2.

4) Time may be expanding along with the universe... A common theory is that space and time are unified. If the universe is expanding then presumably time is expanding with it. While we usually describe time as linear, maybe it's actually a bubble. As the universe expands (or at least appears to expand) then time also expands with it. This would explain 'the past'. A growing bubble of time increases the volume of 'the past'. But there is no 'future' yet. Just like there is nothing beyond the edge of the universe there is no edge (or tomorrow) beyond the edge of the bubble of time. However as the bubble grows then everything inside it grows too.

I like this. And it matches up with my answer to #2. :)
 
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