Putting in for test/training

There's no better practice for clutch control than playing the "no foot down" game :D

It's surprising just how slow you can go without dabbing a foot when you've got the hang of it, with a little handlebar shimmy you can pretty much come to a stop and start moving again without putting a foot down. Slower than walking pace is easy once you know your bike.


Oh and I too am a "clutch bite right out" buy, why have to pull the clutch right into the bar? It makes no sense!!
 
I can go kinda slow in traffic already, but find myself wobbling the handlebars quite a bit - guessing this is cos I dont use the clutch properly?

Been researching youtube vids too, really wanted to go out today and practice, but I couldnt be bothered trying to dry my gear off before tomorrow's commute :-/

Dont know why, but after around 10 months of commuting on my 125, I have really started enjoying it, and cannot wait to do my license and get a nice commuter friendly 600 with a screen and heated grips B-)
 
Guess my years of bmxing and trying to balance whilst riding as slow as I could will be of great help :)

Seriously looking forward to jumping on a bike, good luck with your tests!
 
I can go kinda slow in traffic already, but find myself wobbling the handlebars quite a bit - guessing this is cos I dont use the clutch properly?
Not so much...
More like you're focussing on one thing, whereas it's a combination of rear brake, clutch-feathering and a bit of throttle, as well as balance and keeping the bars steady, while trying not to either blast into the vehicle in front or delay the one behind, as well as trying to keep pace with the vehicle in front that is almost certainly riding the clutch and creeping casually along instead of just going up to where it needs to be and stopping solid...

Plus it's a 125 and likely weighs nothing!

Would it be worth practicing on my little bike like IC3 said? - I can see the benefits for sure, but just how different is it all on a "big bike"?
In many ways, VERY different.
I found I developed 125 habits that did not work on a big bike.
The bigger is usually easier as the weight helps to plant it well, both in slow manoeuvres and in leaned-over cornering.

However, the clutch is easier to feel, but can also be harder to control and balance with the throttle. You'll be used to your own clutch anyway, but bigger bike means more power, especially if you dump the clutch or something.

Better to have some time on the school bike, as you'll have to use the big one for the test anyway. Get as used to that as you can. You'll also have the benefit of the instructor's eye.

How exactly do you go slow and controlled then?
Revs up a *little*, rear brake off and gently let the clutch out just enough for it to get the bike moving. Hold the clutch at that point and very lightly use the rear brake only to control the speed.

Holding the clutch here, you should be able to rev the **** out of the bike and it won't pick up speed at all. However, this is just something instructors do to demonstrate, NOT something you should aim for on the test.

It's then a case of maintaining this controlled state and your balance, looking where you want to go and actively driving the bike round... ideally at walking pace.

Would you expect me to need any more that a day or so training on a big bike?
Depends what bad habits you've picked up.
Observation is KING on motorcycles and seeing things as early as possible will give you time to plan for them and set up ready to negotiate them.
This is FAR better than reacting to them.
Therefore, your checks are the best thing to work on - Most examiners can tell if you're actually looking correctly, or just turning your head and pretending.
Mirrors are cool - Look in them often. Every 15-ish seconds, if only to make sure you don't have a car up your bum. Check one, look back to the road and then check the other.

Signals - Know when the right time is to use these - Too early, or too late - to avoid confusing other vehicles, as well as remembering to cancel them just after you complete the manoeuvre.

Position - A small one in most peoples' minds, but which will come into play as you learn how to control your road space. Staying dominant during normal riding is fairly easy, but moving to one side before turning and the like discourages vehicles from going around you and is often safer.

Speed - Be aware of how fast you're going. You can get away with nudging over the limit, but only for a few seconds here and there. Go massively over or remain above for any length of time and you may well fail.
Try and keep it about 3-5mph under the limit. So in a 30mph limit, you want to be between 25 and 30.
Also pay attention to the limits of the current road - 30s are easy, 40s just as much. Your instructor will likely take you down the NSL roads the examiner will use, but really watch for any 20 limits. If you're not sure, err on the side of caution and watch the side roads - These often have speed limits posted, because that's where they change, so if you're in a "may be 20, may be 30" and are passing a 30 sign, chances are you're in a 20.

Look - Lifesavers are called that for a reason.
 
I doubt many places would be willing to put you in for your tests with just a day's worth of training. Test centres will feedback to instructors if they're sending people who just aren't ready.

3 days should be enough, I did 5 though as it was only slightly more at my prefered trainer to do than 3 at this other place.
 
I doubt many places would be willing to put you in for your tests with just a day's worth of training. Test centres will feedback to instructors if they're sending people who just aren't ready.

3 days should be enough, I did 5 though as it was only slightly more at my prefered trainer to do than 3 at this other place.

Can I ask do you "need" training, say you've been riding one a 125CC and can show the instructor you're more then capable and can demonstrate your ability/skills and put you forward for a test without incurring training costs?
 
My instructor told me the hardest part is in the mod1 doing the emergency stop as you have to go over 30mph and according to him a lot of people undershoot it.
 
you can put in for the test yourself without any training

its best to have some training beforehand and let the instructor decide when your ready for your test,it costs more but atleast you'll know where you stand
 
Can I ask do you "need" training, say you've been riding one a 125CC and can show the instructor you're more then capable and can demonstrate your ability/skills and put you forward for a test without incurring training costs?

You can.

However, you will need a big bike to take the test on and even if you are rich enough to afford one, along with the pre-licence insurance and everything, you'll find it far easier to just do a couple of lessons and use the school's stuff.

Besides - How do you KNOW you're good enough without at leat a look-over from someone qualified? For that at least, you will need the services of an instructor. Might as well go all-in.
 
The mod1 & 2 are about £180 including bike hire if I remember. It's not worth risking failing.

You need you get used to the bike and also practise the emergency stop and avoidance as you need to get used to the speed you need to hit. Everyone always undershoots it a bit compared to in training, its natural so we were aiming for much higher speeds.

And the mod 2 there's a lot on positioning you probably won't be doing currently as they hardly touch it on the cbt.

Everyone's different but I was 100% confident and walked both tests which was much more enjoyable than worrying etc.
 
Some instruction is worth it, a decent instructor will know the examiners at the centre and what they look for, and they'll also have their tried and trusted techniques and tips for passing.

For instance, for my mod1, my instructor said to start the curve for the 3 speed tests in 3rd gear, at 15-20mph (I think, it was 9 months ago!), then at the last blue cone on the corner, open the throttle FULLY, until the cones just before the speed trap, doing this I hit 51kph, 51kph and 52kph. Bang on the target of 50kph or 31mph. Because of this, I didn't have to think about looking at the speedo or worrying about if I was going fast enough. Just 3rd gear, round the corner, open the throttle (any enjoy the acceleration!) and concentrate on braking/swerving.
 
3rd gear seems high. I did mine in 2nd, you get up to speed much quicker and you'll also stop quicker, aided by the engine.
 
That may be true, but for the bike's we were on, he'd worked out completely that 3rd gear, nail it after coming off the bend, and you'd hit 31mph, all the time, every time. Without ever having to look at the speedo apart from when you enter the bend. It was an excellent tip, which worked very well. As I said, my speeds were within 1-2 kph of each other.

If you did it in 2nd, from the same speed round the bend, you'd end up going maybe 35+mph. Then you'd need to crawl round the bend at 10mph. His way of doing it meant all you had to think about was enter the bend at the right speed, nail the throttle and release it. Job jobbed. :D
 
I should point out that you are not with an instructor to show that you can ride a bike. They are there to show you how to pass the test.

The two can be quite different! The woman who was on the same DAS course as me passed (just) but didnt have a clue about how to ride really
 
I should point out that you are not with an instructor to show that you can ride a bike. They are there to show you how to pass the test.

The two can be quite different! The woman who was on the same DAS course as me passed (just) but didnt have a clue about how to ride really

It all depends on your instructor, mine was really good in not just teaching you how to pass the test and just in general how to be a better rider.
I definitely felt the improvement in my riding even after 8 months on a 125 after some proper training rather than just the CBT.

At the end of the day my guy was a one man band, and he runs ride outs with all his past learners so it's not in his interest to train crap riders to a bare minimum standard who then end up injuring themselves or others.

Anyway back on topic, never mind how long you've been riding and how good you think you are you will need at least some training to get you to a test standard as you pick up bad habits and you've go no idea what an examiner will be looking for.
 
That was a brilliant reply ttaskmaster - thank you!!
I have been practising my slow speed stuff when I get to work, and am slowly getting more comfortable with it all - trying it in traffic too, and it is so much easier - like you said, most cars just ride their clutch, and its hard to keep up if you cant!

Hoping I don't need 3 or 5 days as the training runs at £160 a day, and at that rate, I wont be passing my test any time soon =/
Will do a day and see how it goes, comfortable (but not over-confident) with the mod2 stuff, just the mod1 that's scary to me.
 
Mod 1 is easy, so long as you practice a lot so its second nature, sadly that takes time. Not saying its not possible.

That training is expensive, I got 5days including test fees for £650 so it was stupid not to book it that way for me as 3days and tests was about £500. Ring around, block booking a short course will probably work on cheaper overall if you need more than 1 day at that rate! :eek:
 
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