Soldato
Jesus gets popped in to rile up the Christians. Minds will be lost at the claimed age of the universe / planet.
Putting the history of Earth into perspective
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Man of Honour
Gravity doesn't exist, I'm a Flat Earther
Considering it had one of the greatest impacts on western Human society in the history of mankind, I think it is fairly worthwhile including.
lol, no there's not. the Romans have no records of this and they kept pretty accurate records of executions. and don't even think of bringing up the Turin Shroud as evidence.
5000 years ago obviously
because it's dumb fiction in the middle of scientific facts. having the dates of the World Wars, or the Industrial Revolution etc are more appropriate
This is complete nonsense. There are detailed references to Jesus, all within the lifetimes of people that would have witnessed him. There is little debate in academia over it, the evidence is surprisingly sound.
The existence of Jesus is not fiction, it is as close to fact as we can get without building a time machine.
You seem to be confusing the historical evidence of the existence of someone who for one reason or another had a profound affect on Humanity for the next 2000 years, and whether they actually had any magical powers/were the son of God. No one is saying the latter is true.
I am an atheist, and anti-religious before you get the wrong end of the stick.
point me at some links then.
"The existence of Jesus is not fiction, it is as close to fact as we can get without building a time machine."
sometimes "LOL" just doesn't begin to cover it.
From a scientific POV, It is also worth noting that our current dating system is based on it. (Even if the name has been changed)
So it is a familiar concept to most of the audience that the presentation was targeted towards.
Lots of people apparently don't understand the difference between God and Jesus.
Jesus was a real person... OF course his story telling was a lot of nonsense and his existence doesn't mean that God exists, nor was he "the son of God", but he was a real person.
Jesus was a real person... OF course his story telling was a lot of nonsense and his existence doesn't mean that God exists, nor was he "the son of God", but he was a real person.
Caporegime
Jesus wept. How can an interesting thread be derailed by the 1st coming of David Blaine?
Soldato
Not just western, the whole world. it is the largest religion in the world and it also conflicts with the second largest and therefore has an 'impact' on it.
The events around Jesus Christ have had a huge amount of impact on the whole world anyone who denies this is a moron. You don't have to believe in it to acknowledge it either.
Soldato
He plays for City iirc.
Man of Honour
I've been an 100% atheist for 42 years (I was 18 when it hit me) but I'd have an IQ of 1 if I said that Jesus the man never existed.
Have you got the records of all the other people who were executed or are you an execution denier?
Man of Honour
How confident can we be that Jesus Christ actually lived?
The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread. Within a few decades of his supposed lifetime, he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians, as well as by dozens of Christian writings. Compare that with, for example, King Arthur, who supposedly lived around AD500. The major historical source for events of that time does not even mention Arthur, and he is first referred to 300 or 400 years after he is supposed to have lived. The evidence for Jesus is not limited to later folklore, as are accounts of Arthur.
What do Christian writings tell us?
The value of this evidence is that it is both early and detailed. The first Christian writings to talk about Jesus are the epistles of St Paul, and scholars agree that the earliest of these letters were written within 25 years of Jesus’s death at the very latest, while the detailed biographical accounts of Jesus in the New Testament gospels date from around 40 years after he died. These all appeared within the lifetimes of numerous eyewitnesses, and provide descriptions that comport with the culture and geography of first-century Palestine. It is also difficult to imagine why Christian writers would invent such a thoroughly Jewish saviour figure in a time and place – under the aegis of the Roman empire – where there was strong suspicion of Judaism.
What did non-Christian authors say about Jesus?
As far as we know, the first author outside the church to mention Jesus is the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, who wrote a history of Judaism around AD93. He has two references to Jesus. One of these is controversial because it is thought to be corrupted by Christian scribes (probably turning Josephus’s negative account into a more positive one), but the other is not suspicious – a reference to James, the brother of “Jesus, the so-called Christ”.
About 20 years after Josephus we have the Roman politicians Pliny and Tacitus, who held some of the highest offices of state at the beginning of the second century AD. From Tacitus we learn that Jesus was executed while Pontius Pilate was the Roman prefect in charge of Judaea (AD26-36) and Tiberius was emperor (AD14-37) – reports that fit with the timeframe of the gospels. Pliny contributes the information that, where he was governor in northern Turkey, Christians worshipped Christ as a god. Neither of them liked Christians – Pliny writes of their “pig-headed obstinacy” and Tacitus calls their religion a destructive superstition.
Did ancient writers discuss the existence of Jesus?
Strikingly, there was never any debate in the ancient world about whether Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. In the earliest literature of the Jewish Rabbis, Jesus was denounced as the illegitimate child of Mary and a sorcerer. Among pagans, the satirist Lucian and philosopher Celsus dismissed Jesus as a scoundrel, but we know of no one in the ancient world who questioned whether Jesus lived.