PWM Question

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What happens if you run pwm fans with different top speeds off a pwm splitter? I'm thinking of getting a couple of apache vipers and using the akasa pwm splitter have them both running but also an akasa apache. Does this mean the vipers won't go higher than the top rpm of the apache? Can't seem to find anything on this.
 
Because all fans get 12v in pulses you can mix in different max speeds and it'll work at different speeds. You may find the apaches stall before the vipers if you run them at low enough percentage, or is it the other way around. Anyway both fans go down to 600rpm.
 
Because all [PWM] fans get 12v in pulses you can mix in different max speeds and it'll work at different speeds

You may find the apaches stall before the vipers if you run them at low enough percentage, or is it the other way around. Anyway both fans go down to 600rpm.
I didn't know PWM fans could stall? . . I thought that was the main advantage of them?

Slow down yeah . . . but "stall"? . . . I also thought in "theory" you could run them at virtually any minimal RPM from their max down to say 10rpm if the controller allowed it? :confused:
 
Its not so much if the controller allows it, it goes by what the motor in the fan allows, hence why some pwm fans have lower minimums then other pwm fans.
 
ah so basically each fan will run at a certain percentage of it's max, topping out at 2000rpm for the viper and 1300 for the apaches? thn 50% would be 1300 for the vipers and 950 for the apache. makes sense. thanks
 
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Yup, what Tealc said about mixing the different "max" rpm PWM fans is correct and makes sense . . . . I'm just not sure if I understand this "stalling" or "minimum" rpm business? :confused:

Its not so much if the controller allows it, it goes by what the motor in the fan allows, hence why some pwm fans have lower minimums then other pwm fans.
What you are describing above seems to go against my "basic" understanding of how PWM works . . . I know that a PWM fan needs a full/constant blast of 12v to get the motor turning, overcome mavity and build an initial momentum but once the fan is spinning I thought the only thing that would effect the "minimum" rpms would be a combination of

  • 12v Pulse Frequency
  • mavity
I am no electrical engineer but I am thinking of this "intuitively" . . . here's a graphic I just knocked up in MS Paint! :p

pwm.gif


So the top of the graphic we can see the old style method of controlling the fan rpm’s . . . the voltage would have been controlled by a rheostat? which reduced its strength down from 12v . . . to 10v etc . . . this in turn would cut down the fans rpm's similar to the way a car reduces speed when you don't press down fully on the gas pedal . . . of course after a certain amount of reduction the voltage becomes so weak that the fans-motor doesn't respond and it "stalls" . . .

The lower portion of the graphic shows how the voltage is controlled in a PWM fan . . . there is only 12v or 0v . . . nothing in-between . . . now I understand that to get the fans motor turning (and overcome mavity) it needs a full and uninterrupted 12v's for a few seconds . . . but once the "motor" is turning and there is fan momentum I thought it was entirely possible to control the rpm's by regulating the "pulse" of 12v up until the slowest point just before where mavity would overcome the momentum and cause the fan to stop?

As I'm seeing it I understand how a PWM fan has a "max" speed but I thought the minimum rpm’s would be extremely low? . . . at least extremely low once the fan has overcome that initial sticking point and is having it's speed reduced . . . . the only time it could stall when coming down in speed would be when "mavity" overcame the momentum . . . what am I missing? :confused:
 
Love the MS Paint schematic.

It was this that alerted me to the possible lowest speed

OCuk spec said:
Speed 600 -1300 RPM

What happens below this? I don't know as I don't use PWM but through my understanding of how PWM works and how fans work I'd imagine the fan would just twitch or move slowly until a threshold duty cycle is reached and it overcomes the bearing resistance and friction and begins turning. The amount of 12v pulse it would need to do this would probably give it a few hundred rpm.

After writing the above I checked youtube :)
Here's a video of a PWM control circuit showing a fan spinning up from 0% duty cycle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnPSN5ZuAbY&feature=related

Notice how the fan turns ever so slowly at first and then kicks up to several hundred rpm in one go.

Slowing the fan down you may be able to realise a slower speed than the start speed (as mentioned above) but may get additional PWM noise as a result.

This has gone a bit off topic :) But meh. We may all want to use PWM one day. I fancy making my own PWM fan controller just for fun.
 
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