Q6600/Asus Rampage Formula - overclocking temperature issue

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Ok, first off I'm very new to overclocking. I started reading a couple of days ago and have since been fiddling with my rig with moderate success; I'd be greatly appreciative of any help and advice on my post below. I've had my q6600 and Asus Rampage Formula since October in a machine I built myself, specs below.

Q6600 G0 SLACR 2.4 GHz
TRUE 120 cooler
Antec 900
Asus Rampage Formula (X48)
2 x 2 GB OCZ Reaper 1066 MHz RAM
Corsair 650W PSU
BFG GTX260-216 896mb

Using a TJ Max of 100 degrees (more on this later) I've got idle core temps of 34 30 27 28 ('cpu' temp is 21). As I write this, the system is completely unmodified at 2.4ghz. When I run Prime95 Small FFT my temperatures go up to 65 60 50 47 across the four cores. To me, this seems far too high to start overclocking, which I did last night to 3 GHz and got 72 degrees on core 0.

First questions:
1. Is the gap in temperatures meant to be this big? 65 to 47 seems huge compared to looking at other people's Q6600s.
2. I've got 4 different temperature monitoring programs, and the arguments between which one is more accurate are now bunk I assume, because you can change the TJ Max manually; I'm now using RealTemp. My TJ Max is currently set at 100, which is giving the temperatures above, and in my opinion are too high for me to start overclocking.

Although Intel has released the TJ Max supposedly to be 90 degrees (see http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-dts-specs,news-29460.html), I don't believe this as it would make my idle lowest temp 18 degrees, which is impossible considering I'm on air and my uni room was warm at the time.
Therefore third question;
3. Is it correct to set TJ max to 100? I'd love it to be 90 but I know this isn't the case. According to Uncleweb, it should be 100.

When I set the board to 333x9 and ran Prime95, core 0 hit 72 degrees, which I don't want to be anywhere near, as the thermal specs say 71 is the max. This was with all voltages set to auto.

I've been experimenting this morning with minimising the vcore, and at the moment its set to 1.3v. Other things such as FSB Term, NV core are set to the minimum, and Prime is giving me an error after about 30 seconds, sometimes sooner. I cannot get it stable at the moment, and I'm sure that I should be able to run it at less than 1.3v, as just about every other person running at 9x333 is too. I know all chips are different, but it seems there’s something I'm doing wrong.

Supposedly this board and CPU are meant to be great overclockers, so I wasn't expecting many issues after I'd got the hang of all the terminology. Fourth question,
4. Surely I should be able to run it at 3 GHz without getting anywhere near 70 degrees? Especially considering how low my idle temps are.


EDIT: Just been talking to someone else and he asked me my VID - as far as I can see this is 1.325, see image below. He said this is MUCH higher than anything he'd seen, is this a possible reason why I'm having little progress?
coretemp_vid.jpg


Pic was taken halfway through an OC attempt of 8x400mhz as you can see. I'm back at stock for now.
 
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I have the same vid chip as you and I had no probs reaching 3.6Ghz on air with the AC Freezer 7 Pro.

Have you tried reeating the heatsink? Sounds like its not got the best contact.

The Tjmax setting from Intel for the Q6600 Go stepping is 90
 
I have the same vid chip as you and I had no probs reaching 3.6Ghz on air with the AC Freezer 7 Pro.

Have you tried reeating the heatsink? Sounds like its not got the best contact.

The Tjmax setting from Intel for the Q6600 Go stepping is 90

Ok well at least that makes me think its possible! Thanks. However, 90 is clearly wrong as that would give me idle temps of 17 degrees in a room thats 22 on air. Not possible as far as I'm aware.

I'm going to be lapping the TRUE and the CPU in a few days time when I go home for Easter, I will be reseating it then so I guess we can check it after that and see if they're any better :)
 
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It's been ages since I posted here - I've been waiting for my sandpaper, glass etc to arrive. I'm going to start on this today and I know it's going to make a difference as my heatsink doesn't even get warm when my processor's showing really high temps!

Its hot here today, idle temps currently showing 42 36 34 33, load at 67 62 51 48. Stock voltages.

I'll check back later today and tell you how it went!
 
ASUS Rampage Formula


Hey Selachi,

seems like you have some nice LGA775 kit there, take your time to learn how it all works and you should get a great result! :)

For temps try out the new Core Temp 0.99.5 Beta or HWMonitor.

Sounds like your on the right track anyway, not leaving vCore on [Auto] when you overclock will do wonders for your temps, most boards seem to over-volt once you start overclocking and while this is still safe it uses more power than needed and produces shocking load temps! :eek:

You should be able to leave everything on [Auto] apart from vCore and slowly start working that down (you set vCore, board sets vTT. vNB, vPLL etc). Run Prime Small FFTs or IBT to check the vCore is enough to run stable. After a day or two you will know what is the True-VID of your chip which will be useful knowledge for your overclocking (it helps to see how your chip scales).

Just be patient, take your time to understand what your doing and remember there are a lot of angles to cover to get a good overclock (well more than just keep pumping vCore etc). If you don't get 3600MHz stable then you either has a pOOp chip or are doing something wrong (PEBKAU).
 
Well I'm back, and the pc has booted! (I'm always massively paranoid about my pc blowing up after fiddling about with it... first PC I built blew up). I have to say, I'm absolutely amazed.

Temps I posted earlier today:
Idle 42 36 34 33
100% Load 67 62 51 48

Just spent the last 5 hours lapping the HSF and the CPU - temperatures now (exactly the same temp monitoring software - RealTemp with tmax set at 100 as usual)

Idle 28 24 24 25
100% Load 40 37 36 36

So as usual, idle temps aren't affected that much, but it looks like i 've knocked 27 degrees off my load temps! Even bearing in mind that its cooler in here than it was at lunch time, this is still huge. I have taken pictures of the process, but for some reason the only camera in the house I could find was my 2mp phone camera, so they're awful. I'll upload them later.

One thing I did notice is that both my HSF and my CPU were amssively convex, so i guess they were hardly touching at all. I never did manage to get the base of my heatsink completely down to the copper, so eventually I gave up and just carried on with higher grits.

Let me know what you think! And thanks for all your help.
 
On it already ;)

By the way, i missed reading your post at the time Big.Wayne but thank you for the encouragement. I'm aware these chips can go like the wind so I'll be pushing for something around that, i was just so disapointed when I saw how high my temps were to start off with! Obviosuly just needed reseating, but as you'll know, my VID is 1.3250 so it will still be limited slightly i guess.
 
My Q6600 VID is 1.325 stock for 2.4GHz because of volt drop had to raise it to 1.3750to run at 3.2GHz checked VID with various prog's Core Temp, etc again because of volt drop 1.325v to 1.330v using AC Freezer 7 Pro keeps it cool never goes over 60c under full load, primed for 12HRS stable.
 
Those are some impressive temp drops, after lapping my Q6600 and TRUE black, i shaved a fair whack of mine, first attempt at 3.8ghz resulted in temps of 81-81-72-72, after lapping, 68-68-62-62.
 
rampageformulax48.jpg


My rampage Formula x48 temps. and Q @3.6 * AIR, Cpu not lapped* All these storys about lapping hmmm i might give it a try cause i wouldnt mind 3.8ghz on my cpu*
 
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well its at idle, you could do that on the stock cooler (if you have a Q6600 that is capable), however you would be buggered once you put the CPU under any sort of load.. so I wouldn't recommend it
 
well like i said, i've got a decent cooler and i idle at 35 again now i've overclocked to 3.2 :p Guess the main difference it all makes is to load temps though, which don't increase more than about 10 degrees for me anymore
 
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