Q6600 VIDs

well as someone said its going to be harder to get bigger speeds with 1.3+ i guess need more volts and better cooling. i have vid of 1.2625 can run 3.8 ghz stable could not get stable with 4ghz on 4 gig of ram on 2gig or ram it was stable.

3,6 does me fine for 24/7 use.
 
What's your full spec? Have you followed the general overclocking guide and the specific one for your board (if there is one?)

Whats the VID of your cpu?
What's the temps under load you are getting?

I have to run the CPU at 1.5315v in the BIOS, to give a CPUZ VID of 1.488 (1.456 vdroop) under load... idle is 38-39C in this warm weather and 68-71C is the highest recorded while Prime95'ing ;) Basically 70C...

Running an Asus Sielnt Knight Aluminium HSF, which I know isn't the best in the world, but it sure looks awesome :rolleyes:...

I've tried lower FSB's, upping/downing volts, every single combo...

I can get benchable at 3.3ghz, 14953 3DMark06 score, but 3.4ghz and 3.6ghz are all windows and Super-Pi stable, but anything more taxing and gets calculation errors at 3.4ghz and locks at 3.6ghz...

The one thing I haven't done is use just two slots of ram, and not the full 4... however, I want 8GB, so this isn't an option. Suppose I can take the ram out though and see if this IS actually the cause of the problem with higher clocks?
 
I have to run the CPU at 1.5315v in the BIOS, to give a CPUZ VID of 1.488 (1.456 vdroop) under load... idle is 38-39C in this warm weather and 68-71C is the highest recorded while Prime95'ing ;) Basically 70C...

Running an Asus Sielnt Knight Aluminium HSF, which I know isn't the best in the world, but it sure looks awesome :rolleyes:...

I've tried lower FSB's, upping/downing volts, every single combo...

I can get benchable at 3.3ghz, 14953 3DMark06 score, but 3.4ghz and 3.6ghz are all windows and Super-Pi stable, but anything more taxing and gets calculation errors at 3.4ghz and locks at 3.6ghz...

The one thing I haven't done is use just two slots of ram, and not the full 4... however, I want 8GB, so this isn't an option. Suppose I can take the ram out though and see if this IS actually the cause of the problem with higher clocks?

Your 750i board and 8 gig of ram probably isn't helping.

Are you upping your northbridge,ram and VTT voltages as well as you try and overclock?
 
Your 750i board and 8 gig of ram probably isn't helping.

Are you upping your northbridge,ram and VTT voltages as well as you try and overclock?

Running HT Volatage = 1.46v, NB = 1.48v, and SB = 1.50v... would you need anymroe than that kind of voltage?

Cheers
Pug
 
I am sure that most people who have overclocked a Q6600 will notice that to a point you get lets say a steady ratio of vcore to mhz increase, then you will find there becomes a point where the ratio drops so you need more vcore for ever diminishing gains to mhz...

Now we all know vcore+mhz = heat, the advantage of a low VID CPU is that you need less relative vcore to achieve a clock speed... what that means is that when you reach the saturation point of the CPU (i.e. when you get a diminishing return on vcore to mhz) you can push that bit further because you had less vcore to start with and therefore lower temps..

Ofc all CPU are different and identically clocked CPU's with the same VID and cooling will probably produce different temps.. but we are generalising here... The OP originial question was if his VID was limiting his clock.. and the mostly general anwser is yes it is..
 
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So, best i try and liberate the Q6600 from the box in work (actually i checked the 10 that i purchased on works behalf recently and they were all around 1.3except one).

I obviously will need to remove the water block that is currently on the processor, it came ready built but i take it that its no more complicated than removing a normal heatsink???

Also i dont have any thermal grease at home. I have in work some Cooler Master High Performance Thermal Compound HTK002. Anybody know if this stuff is any good, or should i be looking at going out and getting some AS5 or similar???

Thx (really would like to get this chip to 3.6)

Craig
 
my 1.325v q6600 will do 3ghz fully stable at that voltage. i havent experimented much but it isnt stable at 400x8 at that voltage, but it is very close to stable (ie, BSOD's after a few minutes prime95-ing.. no errors though)
 
Asus boards then to be more stable with 4 sticks or RAM, remember you may need to give your Northbrdge a bit more volts to compensate

I have 4 stick of ULL. What northbridge voltage would you suggest?

Also, my VID is 1.3. Is there anyway to get a cherry picked vid?
 
Greebo, it seems you completely missed the point I was trying to make. Let me try and explain a little further.

Yes but the same applies to temps as well so you are wrong on that front. You will get variation between chips with different temps for same VID but there is a definite link between voltage and temps.

Agreed, there is a definite link between voltage and temps, but not across VIDs. i.e 1.4v on a 1.2VID chip is generally going to be hotter than 1.4v on a 1.35VID chip (+0.2 and +0.05v respectively).

Take your example. Even if the 1.20VID chip runs hot due to poor ihs at 1.2v it will still run cooler at 1.4v compared with another running at 1.55v

Not at all. At 1.2v, on a stock Intel heatsink, i think this Q6600 would throttle itself at over 70C and i wouldn't be surprised to see 80C. I'm fairly sure you can find some Q6600's that will take 1.55v on a stock cooler. Temperature is very chip dependant, and not linked to VID at all. A lot of people will blame bad mounts, but the truth is that unless you're doing it fundamentally wrong, you'll only see a 2-3C range in relative good/bad mounts.

My 1.25v chip runs at 40 degrees under load at 1.2v, 50 degrees at 1.3v and hits mid 60's at 1.55v.

Further backs up my claim.

Lower voltage is better for overclocking potential and some people run out of headroom due to poor cooling and find their temps limit their overclock. But that is only cause they are running at such high voltages so hence your second bit is correct - been able to run at 3.4Ghz @ 1.4v is better than 1.55v, not because of the voltage but because of the heat.

Lower voltage, combined with lower temps are good for overclocking. If you have to sacrifice one, you sacrifice the insistence on low voltage and keep low temps.

I would be happier with a 1.35VID chip at 1.55v running 3.6Ghz than a 1.20VID at 1.45v running 3.6Ghz given both temps the same below 60C.

In saying all of that, you still get good and bad overclocking chips of the same low VID, it's just that your odds of getting a better overclock increases with a lower VID.

Agreed. The main reason is that people feel happier with the volts reported. If you look at the voltage increase (i.e +0.2v or w/e) then you're likely to see the same trends (taking averages of good/bad chips).

Take a look on the quad core overclocking thread. The lower VID's are in general nearer the top of the charts but some aren't and conversely so high VID chips are up there.

True, exactly as I've explained. If 1.6v is considered max on air, then 1.6v is +0.4v on a 1.20VID or only +0.25v on a 1.35VID.

As you'll see, I'm a firm believer in voltage increase being more important than actual voltage.
 
at a guess VID's are set for an entire batch, meaning that some will still vary around that voltage, and some may be better than it suggests, some worse.
 
I have 4 stick of ULL. What northbridge voltage would you suggest?

Also, my VID is 1.3. Is there anyway to get a cherry picked vid?

Northbridge probably 1.45v more info @ http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17825087

In regards to VID I seem to remember reading somewhere that VID / clockability had something to do with the position of the CPU on the waffer thats its manufactures on and that you can find that out.. but this was a couple of months back not sure where i read that..

Each batch of CPU's does have a FPO number though, shows when it was manufactured and which batch, certain weeks have better clocking CPUs than others a bit of research should give you an idea on which FPO numbers to look out for
 
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