QLED vs OLED

[Nexus18]

You can’t fix compression artefacts, low bit rates etc, I think more like... LED backlight masks some of the compression artefacts but its still apparent when its really bad, OLED being perfectly black shows it much more.

Yup exactly.

It's why I always say that this is where LCD can be better than OLED as a lot of the issues, which are in the source itself are often "masked" because of LCDs drawbacks, noise (not so much an "issue" as like TWD, they go for that shoot "style" on purpose ), gradient banding and so on being the main ones that come to my mind.

That's is why I ensure I get the very best quality content there is now and playback through MPC-HC/madvr

 

[aoaaron]

I've started to come back round to LCD.

After using an OLED for a month, it was great especially on dark content but its a pain in the ass. I want to play msuic on youtube, I need to full screen, I play music on a media player, I need to activate my black screensaver asap. I'm browsing the web slowly or typing something now, I become paranoid about someone's profile picture burning in.

To top it off, the 75+inch versions come a huge premium which would actually make me cry if something happened to it.

Really tempted to try and pick up the 75'' Q90R instead. Just sad Samsung kinda gimped it from a HDMi 2.1 standpoint by being unclear what it does and doesn't support. Oh and the lack of Dolby vision. Maybe next years sets would be a safer bet given they'll likely all be HDMI 2.1 compatible.

 

[Matteysan]

I've started to come back round to LCD.

After using an OLED for a month, it was great especially on dark content but its a pain in the ass. I want to play msuic on youtube, I need to full screen, I play music on a media player, I need to activate my black screensaver asap. I'm browsing the web slowly or typing something now, I become paranoid about someone's profile picture burning in.

To top it off, the 75+inch versions come a huge premium which would actually make me cry if something happened to it.

Really tempted to try and pick up the 75'' Q90R instead. Just sad Samsung kinda gimped it from a HDMi 2.1 standpoint by being unclear what it does and doesn't support. Oh and the lack of Dolby vision. Maybe next years sets would be a safer bet given they'll likely all be HDMI 2.1 compatible.

I have been using a LG B8 for just over 6 months now as a desktop monitor, Web browsing, youtube, chatting you name it...I see no burn in whatsoever. I don't have the oled on 100% brightness which I think helps. Well it always has on my oled phones.

 

[jpaul]

You can’t fix compression artefacts, low bit rates etc, I think more like... LED backlight masks some of the compression artefacts but its still apparent when its really bad, OLED being perfectly black shows it much more.

effective noise reduction algorithms and the hardware needed, helps, for which the Panasonic oled's are superior .. the thread reckoned LG will fix it in 2020 oled hardware
I have never heard that (say) light bleed or blooming on LCD's helps mitigate the problem ?

 

[200sols]

effective noise reduction algorithms and the hardware needed, helps, for which the Panasonic oled's are superior .. the thread reckoned LG will fix it in 2020 oled hardware
I have never heard that (say) light bleed or blooming on LCD's helps mitigate the problem ?

I think it’s more the black not being pure black that helps it, light bleed or blooming are different issues.

 

[Radox-0]

I've started to come back round to LCD.

After using an OLED for a month, it was great especially on dark content but its a pain in the ass. I want to play msuic on youtube, I need to full screen, I play music on a media player, I need to activate my black screensaver asap. I'm browsing the web slowly or typing something now, I become paranoid about someone's profile picture burning in.

To top it off, the 75+inch versions come a huge premium which would actually make me cry if something happened to it.

Really tempted to try and pick up the 75'' Q90R instead. Just sad Samsung kinda gimped it from a HDMi 2.1 standpoint by being unclear what it does and doesn't support. Oh and the lack of Dolby vision. Maybe next years sets would be a safer bet given they'll likely all be HDMI 2.1 compatible.

yeah I would follow other post, I would not move from C9 to Q90 if happy in all other respects, just turn down the brightness on static content. Is there no return policy or cover for burn in When it does happen? (Which seems to not be massively common on newer panels at least)

yeah does suck in respect to Dolby vision and 2.1. Not sure on Dolby vision given they trying to go with a competing format, but 2.1, I imagine they will come out with properly along with eARC support One thing I do hope is that they keep the one connect box! Love that thing and wish others follow suit, amazing for mounting tv to wall.

 

[aoaaron]

yeah I would follow other post, I would not move from C9 to Q90 if happy in all other respects, just turn down the brightness on static content. Is there no return policy or cover for burn in When it does happen? (Which seems to not be massively common on newer panels at least)

yeah does suck in respect to Dolby vision and 2.1. Not sure on Dolby vision given they trying to go with a competing format, but 2.1, I imagine they will come out with properly along with eARC support One thing I do hope is that they keep the one connect box! Love that thing and wish others follow suit, amazing for mounting tv to wall.

I dont baby my TVs at all tho.. I literally just leave them on the same background for god know show long.

Also 77inch OLED = £7000. 75 inch QLED = £2600.

 

[Radox-0]

Ahh well if your going to also increase screen size then I suppose that changes things. Though the 90R is more then 2600 at 75 afaik, more around £3500 mark.

But personally would not splash out that much though to be honest at this point, stick with the c9 or move to similar size lcd of screen burning is an issue (though other lover term OLED users can give better input). I say that as it kind of sucks with the limits on the 90R in respect to 2.1, lack of eARC etc. Would just wait for next gen at this point if it’s going to be something you will pay a lot for (which you would moving above 65”)

 

[jpaul]

Also 77inch OLED = £7000. 75 inch QLED = £2600£3500.

I think the disproportionate 77 oled price says a lot about the (sorry) marginal panel uniformity that LG currently get off of their oled production lines (ie. yield)
when they bring their next gen 10 (is it) with bigger substrate the 77 " prices should fall, and the uniformity on all their panels should improve. ...
plus they have the 48" screen available.

 

[200sols]

Costco had/have the 77 C8 for £3600 so the price can be comparable, you cant compare the QLED Q60 or 70 prices as they are lower spec sets.

 

[aoaaron]

Costco had/have the 77 C8 for £3600 so the price can be comparable, you cant compare the QLED Q60 or 70 prices as they are lower spec sets.

I can get the Q90R for 2.6k mate

 

[aoaaron]

Ahh well if your going to also increase screen size then I suppose that changes things. Though the 90R is more then 2600 at 75 afaik, more around £3500 mark.

But personally would not splash out that much though to be honest at this point, stick with the c9 or move to similar size lcd of screen burning is an issue (though other lover term OLED users can give better input). I say that as it kind of sucks with the limits on the 90R in respect to 2.1, lack of eARC etc. Would just wait for next gen at this point if it’s going to be something you will pay a lot for (which you would moving above 65”)

Nah nhs discount 2.6k q90r

I agree tho. Q90r is technologically a bit gimped. Samsung dropped the ball on it imo. Given they do lcd, their specs should be better than everyone else not worse

 

[Radox-0]

Nah nhs discount 2.6k q90r

I agree tho. Q90r is technologically a bit gimped. Samsung dropped the ball on it imo. Given they do lcd, their specs should be better than everyone else not worse

Nice discount, personally an amazing TV at that size for the price.

Yeah those two things do suck, suspect they will have it on their next gen stuff. Back to your question, they yeah for 75" that is a nice saving. Will add though, given you used to OLED and the brightness seems sufficient based on your other posts, I suspect the QLED may not be to your liking as much. In your shoes, would just live to baby the OLED when watching youtube.

Of course if your planning to move to a bigger size, then that's a different question, but for now I would probably stick with what you have until the next generation of TV's out. Your C9 65" is one of the best OLED's and given your happy with it, may not be with some elements of the 90R, more so with those elements its not quiet as modern (2.1, eARC) etc.

 

[aoaaron]

Nice discount, personally an amazing TV at that size for the price.

Yeah those two things do suck, suspect they will have it on their next gen stuff. Back to your question, they yeah for 75" that is a nice saving. Will add though, given you used to OLED and the brightness seems sufficient based on your other posts, I suspect the QLED may not be to your liking as much. In your shoes, would just live to baby the OLED when watching youtube.

Of course if your planning to move to a bigger size, then that's a different question, but for now I would probably stick with what you have until the next generation of TV's out. Your C9 65" is one of the best OLED's and given your happy with it, may not be with some elements of the 90R, more so with those elements its not quiet as modern (2.1, eARC) etc.

I already returned the OLED. I need 75 inches+.
I already have a 902B 65'' so couldn't justify keeping both as although the OLED was artifact free, the 902B doesn't have me worrying about static content.
I'm not sure which features of 2.1 the 90R does or doesn't have. Its so sad the TV market is so awful.

HDMI 2.1 has really caught a lot of people off guard and made purchasing this year a bit meh.. especially for gamers.


I can't buy the 77inch LG OLED C8 because of the very popular buzzing issue on dark content. it would drive me crazy. Maybe I can wait 6-9 months and get a C9 for £4k? Even then I think I'm clutching at straws.

As nice as OLED is, I REALLY feel like for £2k+, I need to have an upgrade in screen size too. Having to pay £2k+ and introduce the risk of burn in... is a bit of a hard pill to swallow without a size increase.

 

[200sols]

I can get the Q90R for 2.6k mate

No brainer at that price then.

 

[Radox-0]

I already returned the OLED. I need 75 inches+.
I already have a 902B 65'' so couldn't justify keeping both as although the OLED was artifact free, the 902B doesn't have me worrying about static content.
I'm not sure which features of 2.1 the 90R does or doesn't have. Its so sad the TV market is so awful.

HDMI 2.1 has really caught a lot of people off guard and made purchasing this year a bit meh.. especially for gamers.


I can't buy the 77inch LG OLED C8 because of the very popular buzzing issue on dark content. it would drive me crazy. Maybe I can wait 6-9 months and get a C9 for £4k? Even then I think I'm clutching at straws.

As nice as OLED is, I REALLY feel like for £2k+, I need to have an upgrade in screen size too. Having to pay £2k+ and introduce the risk of burn in... is a bit of a hard pill to swallow without a size increase.

Of the 2.1 features it has VRR and ALM. Seems to be FreeeSync 2 specific VRR though, problem really is though current AMD GPU's top out at the 5700XT. Would be nice for higher end AMD GPU's IMO to pair with it (comparable to 2080Ti) One of the ports on the TV (HDMI 4.0 port) also goes a step further and you can do 4k @ 120hz 10 bit but only on YCbCr 4:2:0.

Doubt a 77" C9 will come down to 4k but who knows, I would imagine from above comments, its hard to make so unlikely loads of the panels around, will likely just be superseded in the product stack.

Don't get me wrong, it will be a phenomenal experience the 90R and that price is ridiculously good. I was just suggesting to hold until next year was here so by then most the panels would be updated, but given the price you mention and fact you already got rid of your OLED now, meh I would not regret getting the 90R on the basis I accept the caveats of missing fully fleshed out 2.1 and eARC.