Quantum mavity

tdream · 7 Nov 2009 at 01:20

After watching the recent horizon episode about black holes. My interest piqued about Quantum mavity. I stumbled on this youtube video which theorises each proton contains the mass of the entire universe. Mind Blown

Now I'm thinking the LHC just may be a bad idea...

djmc0 · 7 Nov 2009 at 01:21

Let me just grab my crowbar

What?

Naamiko_O · 7 Nov 2009 at 01:30

That's all well and good, but I bet he can't beat me at tiddlywinks.

Berserker · 7 Nov 2009 at 01:31

It's a bit messy in here. I think my brain just melted. :eek:

djmc0 · 7 Nov 2009 at 01:33

I've not wacthed the vid (who would?) he does look look like Steve vai that lives Arkham Asylum though

CaptainComedy · 7 Nov 2009 at 01:38

so every proton is = to the universe? but the universe has many protons, so if we exploded one proton to get everything out - would that then release more protons? and if we blew those protons out - would that make more protons again?

Biohazard · 7 Nov 2009 at 01:48

I understand up to 1:53(ish).

Schwarzschild condition?

blah?!

CBJ · 7 Nov 2009 at 01:57

With my in-depth knowledge of the subject, gleaned from spending two minutes on Google, I think I can say with authority that this is a load of pseudo-scientific claptrap.

V4NT0M · 7 Nov 2009 at 01:58

It does seem a bit far fetched and overcomplicated.

tdream · 7 Nov 2009 at 02:00

codec said:
so every proton is = to the universe? but the universe has many protons, so if we exploded one proton to get everything out - would that then release more protons? and if we blew those protons out - would that make more protons again?

That's why mind=blown. I would guess so, though it's not tested (obviously

) by anyone so it's just a theory for now.
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It makes more sense after having watched this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00nslc4

Basically the youtube vid fills in a bit about quantum mavity from the program. But there isn't a full explanation for black holes yet.

And the youtube vid also theorises that every proton is interconnected

sanaxe1 · 7 Nov 2009 at 02:03

I liked the images and diagrams the best.

Biohazard · 7 Nov 2009 at 02:12

I quite like quick flashy math and equations I can't do

Hades · 7 Nov 2009 at 02:12

codec said:
so every proton is = to the universe? but the universe has many protons, so if we exploded one proton to get everything out - would that then release more protons? and if we blew those protons out - would that make more protons again?

I think he was also discussing quantum entanglement. So rather than every proton containing the mass of the entire universe, the protons were the mass of the entire universe.

Rroff · 7 Nov 2009 at 03:00

If every one is linked back to the same thing so to speak then they would all share one mass - which could be essentially that of the universe...

Unfortunatly I don't understand the subject well enough to know if he was talking sense or psychobabble... I know enough to understand and agree on the individual aspects but can't make the leap to putting it all together.

JonJ678 · 7 Nov 2009 at 07:13

I'm certain he's talking rubbish.

The platonic solids are shown at 38 seconds for no apparent reason. He then calculates the density of a proton assuming it's a hard sphere with a density picked out of the air. Then notices that given such a high mass it would indeed trap light. There follows a long set of classical equations which are woefully inapplicable to a proton.

"We find an approximate linear regression" oh my, it's Kepler all over again.
Then throws in the golden ratio for the general hell of it. The man's a knob.

Please stay tuned to the alien science channel while we continue to explore.....

However the article he's butchered to produce this video may well be worth a read, I'll try to find a copy after I've slept. There's a definite flaw to calculating that the mass of any proton is equal to that of the universe, specifically that we're pretty sure there's more than one proton in the universe.

Cosimo · 7 Nov 2009 at 08:53

In summary:

The Schwarzschild proton strongly suggests that matter at many scales may be organized by black-holes and black hole-like phenomena and thereby lead to a scale unification of the fundamental forces and matter.

Source

Exactly what I was thinking.

Berserker · 7 Nov 2009 at 08:55

Don't forget folks - use the Schwartz. Now you know what they really meant.

Hades · 7 Nov 2009 at 08:57

Berserker said:
Don't forget folks - use the Schwartz. Now you know what they really meant.

These are not the protons you are looking for

w11tho · 7 Nov 2009 at 09:06

This is pure, unadulterated rubbish. An introduction to (a spin-foam approach to) quantum mavity can be found here. Quantum mavity, and any related area of mathematical physics, is horrendously mathematically complex. A degree in mathematics would barely scratch the surface on the list of mathematical prerequisites needed to understand it.

In general, people who call themselves things like "AlienScientist" who blame Barack Obama for their numerology not being accepted by the academic community, are not those from whom you should seek enlightenment re. Quantum mavity (or anything else, for that matter).

Mr-White · 7 Nov 2009 at 10:34

Did no one else do this at GCSE ?

MW