Query on Projector..

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Hello,

I am thinking of buying a projector for my living room and I was wondering is a TV required to plug into the projector to watch TV? do I need a special screen or can I do it on the wall? How would you plug your game console into it as it will be on my ceiling.. lol

would it be better than a 1080p Samsung HDTV?

Sorry I'm new to all this and lighting wont be an issue because I have blinds
 
You need to do some reading too many variables where projectors are concerned, will save yourself wasting your time and money in the long run.

No TV required, the projector will be the screen. Plug in your Sky, Free view, Xbox etc and away you go.

Seriously have a read up first, I would not run a projector as a replacement for a TV.

Maybe what you really need is a bigger Plasma/LCD.
 
You need to do some reading too many variables where projectors are concerned, will save yourself wasting your time and money in the long run.

No TV required, the projector will be the screen. Plug in your Sky, Free view, Xbox etc and away you go.

Seriously have a read up first, I would not run a projector as a replacement for a TV.

Maybe what you really need is a bigger Plasma/LCD.

Thank you, I really do appreciate your reply.
 
You can watch TV on a projector, but it's not as practical as a TV for casual daytime viewing. I do have a friend who has three projector systems - main lounge, family room, bedroom - and no TV's at all. So it's perfectly possible as long as you accept the cost of replacing a lamp every couple of years.
 
You can watch TV on a projector, but it's not as practical as a TV for casual daytime viewing. I do have a friend who has three projector systems - main lounge, family room, bedroom - and no TV's at all. So it's perfectly possible as long as you accept the cost of replacing a lamp every couple of years.

I wanted to put a projector into my sons room because he has Sky HD, Xbox 360 and a HTPC.
 
Because things like the news, Neighbours or Countdown just look silly when they're 100"+ inches in size, and watching them this way means when you switch to movies, 90% of the time because of their aspect ratio they'll look smaller, which is sort of the opposite effect you want with home cinema. You want movies to be bigger and better than regular TV, not smaller. Also the quality of image can vary wildly with TV; a crappy SD broadcast isn't going to look great when it's over 2m tall and more than double that across.

Blinds won't be good enough on bright days unless they're of the blackout variety, and even then because most people have light reflective ceilings and walls, so the image will still get washed out slightly (unless you have £2K for a Black Diamond screen). You can project onto walls, but generally a screen is preferable, and like anything the good ones cost money. If you care about getting the best image reproduction, then you'll end up wanting to turn the room into a black hole, which rarely goes down well with significant others.

Projectors also require a bit more care than TVs, otherwise you'll do the lamp in and then have to fork out £100+ for a new one. Lamps also have a variable life expectancy, so you have to take replacement costs into consideration, even more so if you plan on only using the projector (because you'll rack up hours that much faster). There's also all kinds of things like throw distance and mounting it in the right place, how bright the projector is, sorting out the wiring from ceiling to amp/receiver, surround sound(?), e.t.c. It's not like a TV where you can just buy one, plug it in and you're ready to go.
 
I'm someone who installs and calibrates projectors regularly. I see them in manner of installations from dedicated bat caves through to family livingrooms through to bars and pubs. So I just wanted to address a couple of the points raised by Somnambulist

Because things like the news, Neighbours or Countdown just look silly when they're 100"+ inches in size
Granted, Freeview and some of the SD Sky channels don't look great. But remember, this is equally true as we go for ever larger TVs in our living rooms so it's not just limited to projectors.

If you plan to watch a lot of TV then a scaler can be used to shrink low quality channels down to a more manageable and forgiving size. I have a few used scalers from upgrading customers systems that would be perfect for just that sort of job. All are quality items that sold for £700 - £1000 new, but can be had now for between £50 and £100; so it's certainly not an insurmountable problem.

...when you switch to movies, 90% of the time because of their aspect ratio they'll look smaller, which is sort of the opposite effect you want with home cinema. You want movies to be bigger and better than regular TV, not smaller.
Again that's exactly what happens with a TV based home cinema system... except with a projector everything is much bigger.

I know what's being hinted at here, and it's right. In a perfect world there's a TV and a projector in a room; but hey, life's full of compromises too.

...a crappy SD broadcast isn't going to look great when it's over 2m tall and more than double that across.
TBH, that sort of screen size is too large for most UK homes. It's an 11.5ft wide x 6.5ft high image. I have a couple of customers with that size of screen, but these tend to be in games rooms where there's enough space to comfortably accommodate a party with 40-50 guests.

A far more realistic size for an average living room is 6-8ft wide (82"~110" diagonal) with a viewing distance of around 9~16ft respectively.

Blinds won't be good enough on bright days unless they're of the blackout variety, and even then because most people have light reflective ceilings and walls, so the image will still get washed out slightly (unless you have £2K for a Black Diamond screen).
The blinds comment is correct which is why you'd probably go for curtains with a blackout lining. That's what I've got at home.

The quality of projection in high ambient light really depends on...
a) what's being viewed: football or any programmes shot in bright studios or outdoor daytime will be OK
b) a sensible screen size combined with a projector that is reasonably bright. Some of the budget projectors chuck out a decent amount of light for lighting up an 82"~96" screen
c) some skill in how and where the room is lit. I install lighting and can design a room lighting plan that would give enough illumination to read a newspaper quite comfortably but still give a very acceptable picture brightness for TV

You can project onto walls, but generally a screen is preferable,
I'd go a little further and say that a good screen is essential.

A decent screen is an engineered product. It is designed to reflect light equally across the colour spectrum and to do so without causing a distracting hot spot glow. Better screens reflect more light and make the image look brighter than cheap alternatives or projecting on the wall.

Projectors also require a bit more care than TVs, otherwise you'll do the lamp in and then have to fork out £100+ for a new one.
Treat the projector the same way as you do a PC - shut it down properly rather than just pulling the plug. That's all it really needs.

Lamps also have a variable life expectancy, so you have to take replacement costs into consideration, even more so if you plan on only using the projector (because you'll rack up hours that much faster).
Firstly, I'd say if running costs are your prime consideration then don't buy a projector. It's just like any device that needs consumables to run. You wouldn't get very far in your car if you didn't buy petrol for it. It's the same mindset with a projector. Buy it to enjoy because it's a damned sight cheaper than a 96" TV.

Extended viewing is actually good for the lamp! What kills lamps is the start up and cool down sequence. Watching for several hours may rack up more hours but it involves less starts than someone using theirs for shorter stints.

There's also all kinds of things like throw distance and mounting it in the right place, how bright the projector is, sorting out the wiring from ceiling to amp/receiver, surround sound(?), e.t.c. It's not like a TV where you can just buy one, plug it in and you're ready to go.
Again another mindset thing. We're a resourceful bunch here in the OCUK forum, and these are hardly the most challenging obstacles to overcome.

:)
 
Well I wanted it in my son's bedroom which is in the loft and when his blinds are down it is pitch black, are you sure it would be a problem?

How much is a decent setup? this is only for Sky HD, HTPC and xbox for my son.

Is it possible to view in HD on a projector?
 
Well I wanted it in my son's bedroom which is in the loft and when his blinds are down it is pitch black, are you sure it would be a problem?

How much is a decent setup? this is only for Sky HD, HTPC and xbox for my son.

Is it possible to view in HD on a projector?

Yes you can watch full HD on a projector and a starting point I would say is around the £300 mark be that new or secondhand. In fact secondhand can be a better buy remembering that the bulb will need replacement at some point, but projectors don't hold their value very well and bargains can be had. Take a look at the classified adds on http://www.avforums.com/forums/tv-projector-classified-adverts/ Be careful of which type you buy I have an LCD, but haven't tried DLP which some say suffers from a rainbow effect. That being said though they are some of the better lower priced HD projectors available.
 
Very rough guide to prices:

Projectors - for under £500 have a look at the Optoma HD600x - HDReady 720p that will accept a 1080p signal.

Under £1000 - Optoma HD200x - full 1080p

There are other choices of course, but these are good machines.

Projection screens vary with size, features and quality. Freebie screens are sometimes packaged with projectors for promos. They're OK to get you started, and if they last a couple of years then you'll have had your money's worth.

Ceiling brackets - about £50 up

Long HDMI cable (it's worth buying something better than the absolute cheapest to give you a little reassurance that it'll keep working) - go online and search

Sound system - Onkyo amp & speaker packages get strong recommendations here _£300-£500
 
If they're both 1080p then they are both displaying the same number of pixels. But the projector is making a bigger picture, so stuff that would be too small to notice on a TV you'll be able to see 'cos it's bigger on the projector.
 
If they're both 1080p then they are both displaying the same number of pixels. But the projector is making a bigger picture, so stuff that would be too small to notice on a TV you'll be able to see 'cos it's bigger on the projector.

Because you're stretching the image wont it look pixelated?
 
Because things like the news, Neighbours or Countdown just look silly when they're 100"+ inches in size, and watching them this way means when you switch to movies, 90% of the time because of their aspect ratio they'll look smaller, which is sort of the opposite effect you want with home cinema. You want movies to be bigger and better than regular TV, not smaller. Also the quality of image can vary wildly with TV; a crappy SD broadcast isn't going to look great when it's over 2m tall and more than double that across.

Never really had that trouble - most movies look fine except the odd one thats letterboxed or badly encoded/transferred but advanced playback software can compensate for that. Other stuff looks fine on a decent projector with the onboard image enchancements even SD broadcasts if you know what your doing and set it up right, often its not even needed tho if your viewing from the right distance for the projection size.

Blinds won't be good enough on bright days unless they're of the blackout variety, and even then because most people have light reflective ceilings and walls, so the image will still get washed out slightly (unless you have £2K for a Black Diamond screen). You can project onto walls, but generally a screen is preferable, and like anything the good ones cost money. If you care about getting the best image reproduction, then you'll end up wanting to turn the room into a black hole, which rarely goes down well with significant others.

Most modern projectors do well enough aslong as its not in direct sunlight without spending 2 grand on a screen (mine cost 1/10th of that and is more than good enough), tho getting a screen with the right gain and color is important, I have a fairly basic Optoma w/ darkchip 3 and it only looks washed out in direct sunlight, works fine in a normal daylit room with a grey screen, obviously the image quality is enhanced by having the room darker.
 
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The projector is very nice for the money.. as I think I said in post #12 ;)

Screen - Well a Stuart StudioTek130 is very nice.. but it's £4,500 for a motorised 8ft. Back down to earth then, are you looking for manual pulldown, motorised or something permanently on display? Also, what's your budget?
 
is the Optoma HD200X 1080p any good? what screen should i get?

Yes superb for its value. It could do blacks better but you'd be looking at paying £1300 (Epson TW3500) for a projector with better blacks or £1800 (JVC HD350) for one with superb.
 
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