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I want to put together a Home Cinema room together when i move,

Im going to get a Panasonic VT20 in september. (supposedly when the 40" range may come out)

but it got me thinking about a projector instead,

Every time i've seen one it looks washed out and not very crisp. (expect in the cinema)


IS this because no one sets them up correctly? or are they probably cheap projectors?
 
The room needs to be light controlled to enable total darkness. Any ambient like will cause the image to degrade to some extent. The blacks displayed are only as dark as the ambient light so will end up as grey if the room is not dark.

The good news is that with a reasonable projector, screen and light controlled room you can achieve a great cinema experience. There's nothing better than the screen coming down, the projector firing up and watching a movie on a large screen.

I've had projectors for about 10 years now and although I would always have a conventional tv for day to day viewing the whole family looks forward to movie nights on the big screen. I'm due an upgrade soon as my projector is only 720p, however it still delivers sharp, cinema like images that beats your normal led/plasma hands down for an experience.

You will need to factor in an av amp and speakers if you don't already have them and a dedicated room will always make things easier.
 
well, i'm not buying anytime soon, (due to moving)

but if you could list the things i would need it be much appreciated.
budget would be around £5,000 that should be enough?

this is what i was thinking?
Projector
White Screen
Av Amp? (or should i get dedicated audio amp)?
5 speakers + Sub

anything im missing?

other stuff i have that i could use
Cambridge DACMagic
 
As Thrash mentioned, the room becomes a significant factor with front projection. So much so that a cheap projector in a well treated room will give you a better image than a projector that costs 1000s of pounds more in one that isn't. Of course, a decent projector in a well treated room gives you the best of both worlds and the results become stunning. I'm quite fortunate in that the misses didn't mind me repainting the lounge dark chocolate brown, the doors, skirting, and radiators black, and the ceiling a combination of grey paint and black velvet panels coming out from the screen a meter or so (tbh the room looks dead smart and much better - to my eyes anyways - that it did before). You don't have to go that far for good results, although I highly recommend having velvet panels or dark material coming out from the screen on the ceiling and some treatement behind it and at the immediate sides (dark curtains work well) , as well as getting rid of any bright, reflective colours. The more you can do the better.

Your list seems pretty spot on and for your budget you should definitely check out the JVC projectors (the HD550 is about 3.5k and is very nice - as are last years HD350 and HD750 if you can find them). It's also worth doing some research on the screen as this has a large impact. There's all different kinds of flavours, from grey to matt white to very bright white/silver, angular and retroreflective. One suggestion - i've spent 1000s of pounds on screens over the last few years - on my 7th or 8th now - and by far the best has been a Da-Lite High Power imported from the states that cost a fraction of my previous experiments. Pound for pound the best upgrade to my home cinema by a country mile and I wish i'd discovered these years ago - the image pops like plasma and is so bright you can increase the screen size significantly. It bascially looks like a 120" panel on the wall rather than a projected image.

It's worth noting that, despite all of the above, you won't be able to match the black levels and contrast of a decent plasma. You can get close, and the image will be more film/cinema like, but you won't get inky kuro blacks (although getting 'better' than the cinema is certainly achievable). The real stopping power is obviously the size. My current screen is 4 times that of a 60" plasma and if I could go larger I would. There is no comparison when explosions are hitting you in the face and bullets flying about as to which gives a more absorbing and immersive experience.

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Don't let my ramble put you off and if I made front projection sound like a huge hassle, it isn't - there's just a few things to learn and infinitely more things to fiddle and play around with :) Go see a demo!
 
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There's some good info in this thread. What I'd like to add is some advice on specs and set up.

I regularly have conversations with my customers about comparing specs. They see bright 1080p projectors available for £800 - £2000 and wonder why they should spend any more. That's a fair question. My answer is that resolution and brightness aren't the last word in projector specs. Lens and optics quality, along with good video processing, are worth the extra. It's a bit like digital cameras. It's possible to buy a brand name 10 megapixel camera for well under £100, but the shots don't look as good as those from an entry level 10 megapixel Digital SLR. The better lens is a major factor.

Sim2 spends a lot on decent projector lenses and internl optics, and I think it shows in the image quality. The other thing is their video processing. It's better than you get in scaling amplifiers and upscaling DVD/Blu-ray players.

The other thing to add is about set up. Specifically something called Calibration. This is where a professional visits your home and uses diagnostic tools to do some serious tweak work on your projector. It's not cheap, but compared to spending a few hundred quid on ugrading an amp or Blu-ray player you'll get a better result with calibration.

Good luck
 
I would have a projector over a TV any day of the week

You just have to have the right settings and Room

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My first projector was an Optoma HD70 (720p) and with calibration, with the right screen, even in a normal daylit room there was plenty of contrast and very crisp - tho obviously the darker the room the better. A lot of it comes down to getting it setup correctly tho... the orange/yellow colors on mine especially didn't work well in a normal daylit room until I calibrated it - and obviously in a bright sunlit room it doesn't work as well.

The novelty of watching a wall sized movie hasn't worn off even now several years on whereas 52" plasma is just meh - sure it looks a little more glossy and "HD" but it doesn't have quite the same impact.
 
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