Quick creatine question

so to summerise 5g either in the evening shake, or PWO shake on gym days will do the trick? if not loading, do you just take 5g forever, or are you still supposed to do x weeks on x weeks off? Blimy all this creatine talk has got me interested to see if it works for me! Might even give it a go myself, I was a non beleiver, but as its not that expensive I might give it a go!
 
S7yl3s said:
You can only try, if it works for you then it works, if it doesn't then you've learnt something new :)
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not a bad philosophy I dont suppose. I might get some of the reflex stuff myself and stick in in my PWO shake and my evening shake on non gym days.
 
Creatine is great, probably the best supplement you can take IF you respond to it. For some people it can't get into the cells of the muscle.

If you're one of those people then CEE could be the answer. I haven't heard of amny people not responding to that. Though it's different to monohydrate, there's no weight gain/ water retention with the ethyl esther version just the strength boost.

Though there are some health concerns with CEE though, google it if you want to know more.

Myself I take 3g CEE 45 mins before I train and 5g of creatine mono in my PWO shake, don't take it at any other times.
 
Chong Warrior said:
Myself I take 3g CEE 45 mins before I train and 5g of creatine mono in my PWO shake, don't take it at any other times.
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So basically, your muscles have stores of creatine, and you just topping it up after you have used it in a workout, and expanding it on your day off?
Should he/probably we take a break after x ammount of weeks, or just keep banging 5g into our evening shakes?
 
Is there any evidence that CEE..etc are better than monohydrate??

I`m just asking because the claims made sounds like rubbish to me.

CEE penetrates your muscles directly by passing the creatine transporter
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Is having more creatine transporters in muscle the only reason it builds up there versus other body cells?? Whats to stop the CEE entering any body cell? If it is able to enter without transporters, whats to stop it leaving again (serum concentration would have to be ridiculous to keep muscle levels high)??

Does anyone have any links to sites with some *real* info on this kind of thing? I`m not trying to be negative i just want to find out more about it and i keep finding websites with claims that i find hard to believe.
 
As far as i understand it* CEE is lipid soluable so it can enter cells more easily than monohydrate which has a water group floating round with it (hence the water retension).

*please correct me if i'm wrong

As far as what type of creatine to use, Nazbit is very sensible but i'd be tempted to suggest people try CEE rather than mono as a first experience of creatine. The water retension of mono isn't desirable nor is its effect on the digestive systems of some users. CEE doesn't seem to have these problems and it hardly breaks the bank at ~£3/100g although the taste is pretty bad.
 
MTA99 said:
As far as i understand it* CEE is lipid soluable so it can enter cells more easily than monohydrate which has a water group floating round with it (hence the water retension).
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But surely it can leave just as easily as it enters in that case? I thought the main reason muscle concentrations of creatine were greater than the rest of the body was that the creatine transporter was in high concentrations and it would move it across the membrane (using the Na+ gradient). This would allow it to reach much high concentrations than serum.

If it is fat soluble and is only moving across the membrane, whats to stop it entering any kind of body cell or leave those cells once it enters?
 
There have been reports of people having very high levels of Creatine in the blood when using CEE, even in very low dosages. It's unknown if this is dangerous or how many people it affects. Though the levels go back to normal when CEE supplementation is stopped.

A few users on bodybuilding forum I go on have stopped using CEE because of this and gone back to mono until more is known.

If you respond well to mono then it may be smarter to stick with it.
 
I agree with Chong, its a more sensible to start on creatine mono if you are new to the game.

Cycle some mono, establish whether or not you are a creatine responder and then perhaps you can consider CEE.

Some manufacturers are actually withdrawing their CEE products claiming that there is no evidance that they actually work.

If you are a beginner and you jump straight in with CEE then you are going the wrong way about acheiving your training goals.

Start at the bottom and work up, your gains WILL be all the better for it!
 
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