Quick question to all parents...

There has been numerous cases of cars stolen with the children still in the car seats in the back.

And a friend left their kid in their car last summer (to go into Tesco) - the car alarm went off, with the kid in hysterics for 20 minutes before they came back.
 
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How did I know whether you were refering to my post or the original question of leaving them while shopping. I'm calling BS that at no time in your life you filled up and paid and always took your children out the car.

Actually I can 100% say that never happened.
I never put petrol in the car until around October 2007 when I had my own car and my kids were around 18 and 20.
My wife has always filled up when doing the 'big shop' on a Saturday morning while the kids have been with me.

Anyway, why are you having a go at me, I haven't got a problem with people paying for petrol while the kids are in the car.
 
Meh we've left our kids in the car asleep when we got home, keeping an eye on them from the house.

I've seen neigbours do that a fair bit.

There has been numerous cases of cars stolen with the children still in the car seats in the back.

Normally at petrol stations whenever I've seen the clips shown on tv/news. Never heard of any getting taken to court over it.
 
Pay attention, I've already made it clear in this thread that I have at least two.

Still waiting for someone to point out the risk of leaving children in a locked car in a public car park.

There are risks Vonhelmet and as a responsible Parent you are fully aware of them.

Much of whether it is safe to leave a child depends foremost on three things, their Age, the situation, and their innate level of personal responsibility.

While it is perfectly acceptable to leave your 6 year old in the car for a few minutes while paying for petrol, it would not be advisable to do so and then go into Tesco to do a two hour shop.

In the case of an 18 month old baby, we have several obvious risks. One is abduction, rare but it does happen. The other is the same with any baby and that is if there is a problem you have no way of knowing (unless you are carrying around a baby monitor) and if the child chokes, falls ill or simply becomes irritated and crying you would have no way to know.

Again, the weather is also a risk, especially hot weather. Car theft another.

There is the risk to you, what happens if you are taken ill and cannot tell anyone that there is a child in your car, how long would it take for someone to know?

There is also the risk that someone will report the incident to the authorities, now leaving a child only becomes an offence if it is deemed that in doing so constitutes an unnecessary risk to the child, but it is obvious that the authorities will take a pretty dim view of anyone leaving an 18 month old Baby unattended anywhere, even in a locked vehicle.

Many of these risks are comparable to leaving a baby in a bedroom alone, which we all do, however in your home there are systems that any parent has of checking their child, especially a baby, be it monitors, looking in on them from time to time and so on. Also if something were to happen, you are on hand immediately to do something about it, and if something where to happen to you then whatever authority responded would have a clear picture that a child is in the house.

So basically this is one of those debates that depends on what the individual deems as acceptable based on their children and as such is open to opinion.

For me there are several things we need to consider if we are to decide whether leaving a child is acceptable or not:

The age of the child, are they 18 months or 6 years or 16 years.

The child's level of maturity and understanding, could they deal with a simple emergency if it were to happen.

The place where the child will be left, is the place safe and as free from risks as is practicable, can you see any obvious risk yourself.

How long, and how often, the child will be left alone, it may be fine to leave a 14 year old alone for an evening, but would it be ok for a week?

In the case of the 18month old being left in the Car with no sign of the Parents, I would say that was irresponsible, the child is too young, there appears to be no way that the Parents could respond to an emergency and the Child is too young to raise an alarm or have any sense of maturity in regard their own safety.
 
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So in summary, is it reasonable to leave the child alone under a given set of circumstances?

Yes, it can be.

It can also not be.

Ten minutes in a locked car on a cool day while you go in to the shop to pick up half a dozen items is perfectly reasonable in my eyes. YMMV, but it's insane to suggest that it's always wrong or always illegal as many in this thread have done.
 
Please elucidate the risk of leaving children in a locked car in a public car park.

Child dies of a sudden onset medical condition, child is stolen (it's not as though people don't break into cars in public car parks), child dies of heatstroke after the day suddenly brightens up.
 
Not living on a council estate and claiming benefits had a lot to do with it. They were "middle England" personified.

Middle Scotland? Does that make them upper class?
Anyway, I am just being horrible, but if the lassie had turned up next day and nothing wrong with her, then they would have probably had a phonecall regarding child safety from the local dept. As it was probably only make things worse to actually point it that it was entirely their own fault they had lost their little girl, I am quite sure they worked that out themselves.

As for the OP.
I would never leave my child alone in the car.
 
My wife takes them everywhere even when paying for petrol, if they are asleep then I tend to leave them be if I'm popping in somewhere, but no defiantly not a full shop, somewhere where I can see the car at least.

We lost our 2 yr old little girl in Tesco once, I thought the wife was looking over her and vice versa, she was gone for ten minutes in a very very packed Tesco mega store, the security guards where well equipped with dealing and the staff responded by sweeping the store top to bottom within a minute or two, it was the most terrible experience of my life, that ten minutes all kinds of horrible thoughts were going through my mind.
 
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Child dies of a sudden onset medical condition, child is stolen (it's not as though people don't break into cars in public car parks), child dies of heatstroke after the day suddenly brightens up.

Improbable, improbable, improbable (assuming you have any idea of what the weather is doing).
 
I don't have kids, but I wouldn't leave my kids in my car unless they were teenagers or had someone else in with them.
 
So tell me the risk.



If you take that sort of massively terrified view of utterly mundane scenarios, where do you draw the line? How do you justify the risk of stepping out of your house?


In full view of everyone?

Like I said, it's an example on the extreme side, you do realise that you are just being argumentative.

And yes, people do all sorts of things in full view of the public, including breaking into houses to steal car keys to steal a car on a driveway, as seen by a person on this forum.
Also cars get stolen from busy car parks, there have been examples of people have cars stolen from petrol station forecourts at rush hour (including cars with children in....).

You clearly calculate risk differently to most people here, I hope that risk assessment doesn't kick you in the ass one day.
 
So in summary, is it reasonable to leave the child alone under a given set of circumstances?

Yes, it can be.

It can also not be.

Ten minutes in a locked car on a cool day while you go in to the shop to pick up half a dozen items is perfectly reasonable in my eyes. YMMV, but it's insane to suggest that it's always wrong or always illegal as many in this thread have done.

In my opinion leaving a baby unattended in a car, locked or otherwise in a public place for 10 minutes is not a reasonable or responsible thing to do.

Any child under 5 should not be out of the eyesight of a responsible adult while outside of a controlled environment such as certain rooms in the home, especially not out in a public place, even in a locked vehicle.
 
So tell me the risk.



If you take that sort of massively terrified view of utterly mundane scenarios, where do you draw the line? How do you justify the risk of stepping out of your house?



Tiny risk, and all but irrelevant in a flat car park.



I did mention at points that I wouldn't consider it on a hot day.



In full view of everyone? Improbable.



On what?



A meteor could land on the store while my child was in it. Then I'd wish I'd left them in the car.



Judgement call. If I'm not leaving my child for a long period of time, and they have something to keep them amused, this is not a risk.



Leaving a child in a locked stationary car is not illegal. I'm also exercising common sense and responsibility in determining the level of risk in a given scenario.



Finally, some sense in this thread.



Quite.

Are you really a parent?
It's got absolutely nothing to do with whether it's legal or non-emotive risk management...it's to do with taking care of one's child or children and NOT exposing them to any unnecessary danger whether the risks are real or perceived!

Raising children is fraught with risks throughout their lives...leaving very young children unattended in cars in public places for more than a minute or two is simply irresponsible and a risk to which most sensible and responsible parents simply wouldn't expose their children.
 
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