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Hodders

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I'm reusing my case, PSU, and SSDs. My main question is the cooler.

Coolers seem to get very expensive and I'm not sure why. Is the cooler above suitable for the 9800X3D or would a different one be better?
 
OcUK Gaming B85 Bundle - AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D - Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WIFI Motherboard Bundle
PRO-AMD-07646
£580 (incl. VAT)
£570 (incl. VAT)
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be quiet Pure Rock 3 PRO Black CPU Cooler - 120mm
COO-BEQ-04690
£42 (incl. VAT)
£38 (incl. VAT)
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Corsair Vengeance XMP 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 C38 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit
MEM-CRS-06839
£600 (incl. VAT)
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Gigabyte GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Windforce OC SFF 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card
GRA-GIG-04143
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I'm assuming this is primarily for gaming?

What is your exact PSU, make/model/age? I'd also be sure to measure up your case, modern graphics cards are huge even at the mid range so make sure it'll fit.

The 5070ti is a terrible value proposition, spend the extra on a 5080 or save £400 and grab a 9070XT (performs on par with the 5070ti).

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Regardless of which you pick:

- Cheaper and faster RAM.
- Cheaper HSF that's more than capable.
- Faster CPU, albeit only by a few percent for an extra £15.

Unless you really need Nvidia specific features I wouldn't spend the premium in the current market.

The above motherboard has a Gen 4 PCI-E 16X slot for the GPU, but that wont effect performance at all. You could choose to spend the extra money on a better board if that's a deal breaker for you, around another £20-30.
 
KLEVV BOLT V EXPO 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz C28 DDR5 Dual Channel Kit - Grey
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Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE CPU Cooler - 120mm
COO-TLR-02665
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Palit GeForce RTX 5080 Infinity 3 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card
GRA-PAL-04404
£1,530 (incl. VAT)
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AMD Ryzen 7 9850X3D Eight Core 5.60GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail
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MSI PRO B850-S WIFI6E (AMD AM5) B850 ATX Motherboard
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PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 XT Reaper 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card
GRA-PWC-04017
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PSU is a Corsair 1000w so should be good.

Current GPU is a 3070. The case is a full size atx.

Your thoughts on component choices are really useful. I hadn't realised the 5070ti was so cosy to 5080 in cost.
 
Quick question - is a GPU support bracket a good idea on these heavier GPUs? If so any suggestions? (Case is aluminium so non magnetic)

Also I notice the MSI PRO B850-S WIFI6E only supports pcie5 for the m.2 SSD not the GPU. Is there any meaningful performance increase on pcie5 for the GPU?
 
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Hodders said:
Quick question - is a GPU support bracket a good idea on these heavier GPUs? If so any suggestions? (Case is aluminium so non magnetic)

Also I notice the MSI PRO B850-S WIFI6E only supports pcie5 for the m.2 SSD not the GPU. Is there any meaningful performance increase on pcie5 for the GPU?
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Nope:

Gray2233 said:
The above motherboard has a Gen 4 PCI-E 16X slot for the GPU, but that wont effect performance at all. You could choose to spend the extra money on a better board if that's a deal breaker for you, around another £20-30.
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:p

There's very little difference on a 4090 or 5090 from PCI-E Gen 3 to 5, you'll be fine on 4.

As for a bracket, it depends on how big the card you get is. Some will actually come with one included, but if not for the sake of a fiver I'd probably pop one in.
 
I'd second the "don't buy a 5070 Ti unless you need one for a specific reason"

You can by GPU stands/brackets for a few quid, personally I'd go for one given the tiny cost.
 
Personally I think the BeQuiet is a nice cooler looks wise, I tried it's little brother for a bit, but ended up with the Arctix Freezer 36 simply because it looks nice and was on sale, and the case fans were Arctic.

With Thermalright I like the coolers with no heatpipes showing. But those are pre-order.

I am with the others on 9070xt, unless your working with video software that suits Nvidia there is apparently little between the 9070xt and a 5080 in performance with a majority of game titles. I was hoping for a 5080 Super last year, one of my lads was looking at the 5080 last month, for our use cases we could see no benefit for the extra money the cards cost over a 9070xt. It was pretty much twice the price for nothing more than a handful of frames.

But for video editing etc, well I would hands down get a 5080 over a 5070ti at today's prices.
 
If definitely be looking at a better motherboard, not that much more in cost to get something much better.

Also agree with the above to get the AMD 9070XT GPU unless you really need an Nvidia card?
 
Space Monkey said:
If definitely be looking at a better motherboard, not that much more in cost to get something much better.

Also agree with the above to get the AMD 9070XT GPU unless you really need an Nvidia card?
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Which motherboard would you suggest?

What would it offer in real terms?

Once again, really appreciate the knowledge being given. Thanks guys.
 
Hodders said:
Which motherboard would you suggest?

What would it offer in real terms?

Once again, really appreciate the knowledge being given. Thanks guys.
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It really depends on what you're planning on doing with the rig.

The main benefit for gaming would arguably be a Gen 5 GPU slot instead of Gen 4, but I doubt you'll see Gen 4 bandwidth saturated for a very long time given 5090's can still function just fine on Gen 3.

Beyond that you'd be looking at features, more ports/m.2 slots which may or may not benefit you. You might get better onboard audio, but I don't know anyone who actually cares about audio who would ever use onboard. You'll potentially get better VRM's, although the MSI board has a 12+2+1 setup and fairly beefy heatsinks, it should be fine running 9900/9950's let alone 8 core chips under gaming loads.

Quality of life improvements might be there if you care, things like bios options/flashback, diagnostic led's etc, aesthetics.

Personally I can happily take or leave most of the above, from a raw "gaming" performance standpoint you'll get the same experience running a £110 motherboard as you will a £300-500 one.

If you did want to spend the extra, this is my go-to board for under £150:

My basket at OcUK:
Total: GBP151.94 (includes delivery: GBP7.99)​
 
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Extra consideration: What resolution are you gaming at? If it's 1080p then ignore me.

If it's 1440p or higher I'd be looking at saving £100 by getting a 9700X or 7700X3D.
Hardware Unboxed found the 7600X to be 3% slower than a 9800X3D at 1440p with an RX9070 and 9% with a 5080. The margins will be way smaller with a 7700X3D.
Also, that's average FPS. Counterintuitively the 1% lows were even closer than that.

This might just be me, but I'd much rather have a 5080 system that bumps against a CPU bottleneck on occasion running Max detail settings than a 9070XT system running Medium settings with the CPU sleeping.
 
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iamgigglz said:
If it's 1440p or higher I'd be looking at saving £100 by getting a 9700X or 7700X3D.
Hardware Unboxed found the 7600X to be 3% slower than a 9800X3D at 1440p with an RX9070 and 9% with a 5080. The margins will be way smaller with a 7700X3D.
Also, that's average FPS. Counterintuitively the 1% lows were even closer than that.

This might just be me, but I'd much rather have a 5080 system that bumps against a CPU bottleneck on occasion running Max detail settings than a 9070XT system running Medium settings with the CPU sleeping.
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Yeah it is just you, nit picking a £100 quid for a cpu then suggesting spending nearly double on the gpu for a 15% gain, sounds like you have buyers remorse and are still trying to justify your purchase.
 
Dg834man said:
Yeah it is just you, nit picking a £100 quid for a cpu
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OP was nit picking over the price of a cooler after all.

Dg834man said:
then suggesting spending nearly double on the gpu
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I didn't.
Besides, we still don't know what resolution he is (or you are) gaming at.
Also, he had an £1100 5070Ti in his basket.

Dg834man said:
sounds like you have buyers remorse and are still trying to justify your purchase.
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I bought my 7700X three years ago when I had a 3080Ti and it's still plenty with my 5080. I'd have buyers remorse if I'd bought a 9070XT and faster CPU instead.
 
iamgigglz said:
This might just be me, but I'd much rather have a 5080 system that bumps against a CPU bottleneck on occasion running Max detail settings than a 9070XT system running Medium settings with the CPU sleeping.
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I understand what you're saying, but when the 5080 costs double a 9070 XT, saving £100 on the CPU isn't going to help much.

It also depends on the game somewhat, while the overall averages might be low, when a game really benefits from the cache, the boost to framerate consistency is definitely worth it (even at 1440p, or in some cases: 4K).
 
It's a fair point. At 4k high visual settings the CPU does become a little less relevant, although upscaling muddies the water a bit.

As Gray223 covered, the 5070ti seems a poor value proposition when the 5080 is there for just £200 more. it's almost 15% more cost for 15% more performance, not something you typically see at the high end.

If OP was already eying up the 5070ti, but perhaps pushing his comfortable budget limit (stretching further might not have seemed reasonable), recouping £100 from the CPU by going to the 7700X3d (for 90%+ performance at 1440p/4k of the 9800x3d) and diverting it to the the GPU is an option.

edit: That Palit 5080 has bumped up in price by £50 overnight to £1349.
 
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eddyr said:
edit: That Palit 5080 has bumped up in price by £50 overnight to £1349.
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Prices are going to keep going up across the board unfortunately, at £1349 your best off going for the Zotac:

My basket at OcUK:
Total: GBP1361.98 (includes delivery: GBP11.99)​

Three year UK based warranty, extended to five if you register within 30 days.
 
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Gray2233 said:
Prices are going to keep going up across the board unfortunately, at £1349 your best off going for the Zotac:

My basket at OcUK:
Total: GBP1361.98 (includes delivery: GBP11.99)​

Three year UK based warranty, extended to five if you register within 30 days.
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Exact card I bought a year ago. Very happy - no coil whine and a very quiet, effective cooler. The colour isn't great but I've seen a lot worse.
 
So 5070 Ti's are now £1100?!? I suppose that's value to some people otherwise it wouldn't be priced like that but I couldn't bring myself to pay that not when a 9070XT is £720 and offers the same level of performance (the difference almost pays for your ram).
 
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5080 and 5070ti are not worth what NVidia is asking for unless you need them for specific use cases, like certain software that performs better on nvidia stack. 9070xt unfortunately is all there is available till next year where amd might release something to replace the 9070xt. Between 9070xt and 5070ti, I would pick the 9070xt and save £300+ pounds as they perform almost identically in games.
 
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