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[Usual Suspect]

The E6xxx series offer great value for money and are a favourite choice amongst overclockers with reports of overclocks well over 3.2GHz already achieved with just basic air cooling. Intel is set to take back the performance crown for 2006 and 2007 again!


Err.. there not out yet..

 

[Minstadave]

The E6xxx series offer great value for money and are a favourite choice amongst overclockers with reports of overclocks well over 3.2GHz already achieved with just basic air cooling. Intel is set to take back the performance crown for 2006 and 2007 again!


Err.. there not out yet..

Loads of people have them over at XS, these CPUs are awesome.

 

[Stelly]

Loads of people have them over at XS, these CPUs are awesome.

agreed

Stelly

 

[Gashman]

he still has a point, as there not out yet, so no they don't offer good value for money and good price/performance, cause there not out yet

 

[Jokester]

They do OFFER good value for money, the prices have been released and orders are being taken and we know what level of performance they will give.

And they are the favourite choice amongst overclockers now, I'm sure Spie is rubbing his hands in glee at the numbers of pre-orders overclockers has been taking.

Jokester

 

[Gashman]

how can something be the best value processor and the best overclocking potential if its not even on the shelves yet, that makes no sense? thats like saying the fastest car in the world is something on a computer screen, its not the fastest car in the world untils a concept car is made to prove it is.

 

[Jokester]

its not the fastest car in the world untils a concept car is made to prove it is.

And there is the reason, we're beyond even the concept stage, the chips are circulating, results are known, prices are now known, we know it's release date.

It offers great value, performance, overclocking, low power consumption etc.

Jokester

 

[Jabbs]

I will be eager to see some user reviews tbh, seen too many doctored benchies by certain sites.

 

[TaKeN]

I will be eager to see some user reviews tbh, seen too many doctored benchies by certain sites.

Yep same here.

Someone posted a review the other day of a benchmark that wasnt done by anyone intel related..

and it showed the New conroe chips getting 3-5 more fps in games..

Im afraid i wont be getting one until ive made sure that intel having been fixing benchy's

 

[Journey]

What is it with the 'I must see it for myself to believe it' attitude around here lately.

Just accept it, the new Intel Core 2's are just silly fast for the dosh, it has been proven by many, many people on several forums that the early steppings of these chips are great. As we all know the retail release will be newer silicon with any bugs ironed out and if anything a better chance of Overclocking further.

£250 or less for an E6600 that is as least as fast as a £650 FX62.

Also, why would you buy one anyway, unless you need to upgrade
If you have a a SD3700+ @ 2.9GHz then unless everything you do needs maximum CPU power.

I am not going to be building a Conroe system for myself, as I have a 146@3GHz, 2GB DDR and a 7900GT, thats gonna last me at least a year.
I am however going to be building a system for a friend, and he is really looking forward to giving my system a good thrasing

 

[TaKeN]

I was just saying.. that some people on here with 3700 SD's @ 2.8 like mine..

are upgrading and it makes no sense to me, why spend more money for something that will be slightly faster.

 

[Journey]

Looking at some of the benchmarks, Conroe does give benefit to gamers with high res screens. It pushes the average framerate up quite a lot on some games, to the point where you will be able to have higher graphics settings and it is still staying playable most of the time.

Since I do not have a SLI graphics and I cannot run games at the native res of either my 24" or 30" Dell TFT, I will see very little benefit until I can justify another graphics card. I might see how SLI feels on my system with the two super cheap 7900GT's I picked up, if I am impressed and keep one of them I may have to go for a Conroe, which means more money

 

[Usual Suspect]

my point was... no one has had a retail version yet. Only what Intel has given them. Your not gunna get intel sending out poor un-overclockable test subjects on a product that there putting everything into to take AMD's crown after so many years at the bottom.

 

[Journey]

You really think Intel test every ES chip for overclock ability, if so you are having a laugh.

They send out thousands of CPU's to everyone from Trade Show samples, Review samples, and then there is the biggest candidates the hardware vendors, motherboard manufacturers etc.

You can pretty much guarantee that retail chips will overclock the same as if not better than an ES (not acounting for CPU's that are multi unlcoked).

 

[Darkwave]

Is there any point in this thread except to say "OMG the benchmarkers are liars, Intel are being dishonest and giving out loaded processors"? I'm sorry, but as fond as I am of AMD, it looks like Intel has cleaned their clocks across the board (office, workstation, and gaming markets) this year.

I will be looking into buying a Conroe E6600 myself around September ,when prices have probably dropped and better/cheaper motherboards are available for it, because even if it is "only a few FPS faster," it's better than paying £500-£700 for the AMD equivalent.

 

[Usual Suspect]

You really think Intel test every ES chip for overclock ability, if so you are having a laugh.

They send out thousands of CPU's to everyone from Trade Show samples, Review samples, and then there is the biggest candidates the hardware vendors, motherboard manufacturers etc.

You can pretty much guarantee that retail chips will overclock the same as if not better than an ES (not acounting for CPU's that are multi unlcoked).

Err.. yeah multi national coperations would never do a little bit of 'work' to boost a multi billion dollar product. doh

 

[Angilion]

They'd be foolish to do so.

Most CPUs are not overclocked. This forum is an extremely unrepresentative sample, as we all know. With some exceptions, overclocking is normally done by enthusiasts who have a lot more knowledge of the hardware they use than is normal.

For the sake of argument, assume Intel carefully picked what were effectively highly underclocked Core 2 CPUs to give out as samples. So, for example, they picked out the small minority of Core 2 CPUs that passed standard Intel testing at the highest speeds, say around 3GHz, and marked them as being rated at 1.86GHz, 2.13GHz, etc. Voila! The samples all overclock madly.

Sounds like a good plan for Intel, right?

Wrong.

Nearly all potential customers aren't going to overclock their CPUs. Most of them wouldn't know how and probably don't know what overclocking is anyway.

So the deceit you refer to would only affect the reputation of Core 2 amongst a very small part of the potential market - enthusiasts who know at least a bit about their hardware.

If the retail chips generally don't overclock anywhere near as much, those enthusiasts are not going to be happy. They'll know enough to recognise the dodgy marketing, the deliberate misrepresentation of the overclocking potential, and they'll know it was deliberate.

So doing what you suggest would gain Intel nothing at all with most potential customers and would decrease the reputation of Intel in general and Core 2 in particular with the rest of their potential customers.

It's possible that Intel are short-sighted enough to do it, but I doubt it.

 

[WJA96]

Of course they're doing it. They have production lines that can test EVERY chip for it's capabilities - that's why they make Celerons and 805's (because the L2 cache or the FSB speed won't hold up to 'normal' speeds).

Normal users will buy into all the hype and they will buy the systems based on these processors. Of course they will.

WE, as enthusiasts, do mental things - like spend £300+ to overclock a £90 805 when £250 would have bought a stock speed 940 and a cheaper motherboard!

We're all overdosed on marketing hype - over on the motherboards forum people are cheerfully recommending motherboards they haven't even seen reviews of because 'DFI makes the best overclocking boards' or 'ASUS make stable boards'. There will be tears and loads of second hand bargains.

We don't know what the actual real world performance improvement will be, but current Intel users will need to spend roughly £400 for a 6600 and motherboard and AMD users will need another £100-£150 worth of RAM, plus a new heatsink and fan (£20).

So that's about £500+ for most of us (AMD users are by far in the majority on these forums) and what level of performance increase are you going to get? A bit more than you would have got by buying an FX-6x chip for your existing kit. When AMD drop the prices on those then the more cost effective upgrade for many may well be to the last of those S939 FX chips, that AMD have very helpfully just stopped making.

Think, then engage credit card...

 

[Darkwave]

WE, as enthusiasts, do mental things - like spend £300+ to overclock a £90 805 when £250 would have bought a stock speed 940 and a cheaper motherboard!

I was under the impression that the 805 can do 3GHz on stock air cooling from what I've read on Tom's Hardware Guide and other reputable hardware enthusiast websites who's advice and benchmarks I have trusted, matched, and surpassed in the past.

We're all overdosed on marketing hype - over on the motherboards forum people are cheerfully recommending motherboards they haven't even seen reviews of because 'DFI makes the best overclocking boards' or 'ASUS make stable boards'.

I was under the impression that DFI added a lot of decent overclocking options to their BIOS, not to mention throwing in Memtest too? Surely this does indeed mean that "they make the best overclocking boards," no?

 

[Jabbs]

I don't understand why you get people jumping down others throats just because they say, i want to see some proper user reviews.

Everyone knows certains sites are biased towards certain chips, toms hardware being one of them, so why can't i wait till peeps from these forums have them and post there results, atleast i know they are 100% honest.