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Just got a 9650 from overclockers, and i wondered if i could just drop it i my current setup which is a q9300 450*7.5, if i were to set up at 450*10 and voltage to around 1.38?

would it work or will i have to start again, as bus speeds etc wont be altered.
 
p.s im on a p35 asus p5ke, and 4gb 2*2gb ocz reaper edition. My7 cards a 4870x2 and im cooling with asetek lclc water cooling. Which i plan on upgrading.
 
will i have to start again
QX9650 = unlocked multiplier, ignore bus speeds (why clock the motherboard with an extreme series CPU?), start again by using multiplier. Overclocking made simple, courtesy of the giant price-tag.
 
I'm sitting at 4.1GHz at 1.32V on passive water so depending on your cooling you should be able to get a bit more on 1.38V, but I doubt you could hit 4.5GHz on that.
 
ok mate cool, the reason i asked is that i have read on a forum somewhere of a bloke getting 4500 on air.

dont know how!

LOl , thanks fir the reply, it should be here later on so ill get playing tonight.

Whats the best way of doing this overclock?

Start me as a complete noob, as the last clock on my q9300 wasnt done by myself, and i have read the stickies with regards to overclocking, but i want to get it right and dont want to cook my new chip.

Start at full auto keep my ram timings as they are 5 5 5 16

Now i have a p5k-e so if i start at stock everything bar the memory and mem voltage.

Just use the fsb?, and what about the multiplier?
 
i have mate, right i sort of get it now.

So my fsb on my current setup is 7.5*450, and is stable on 12hrs of prime stressing 4 cores.

My mb is at 1800fsb, so in theory my mb should manage 450fsb with the qx9650,

So for a start ill drop the fsb to 400*10 and try that at 1.4v,

What does incresing the multiplier do? will it require more voltage and make the cpu hotter?

does the multiplier just increase cpu speed, or does it affect the rest of the motherboard?
 
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You purchased an extreme series CPU without knowing what the point of one is? Well I guess we know how Intel manage to sell any....

As you appear to be at a somewhat beginner level of knowledge (no offence) let me give you enough so that a guide (and my first post in this thread) will make sense to you.

The clock speed of a processor is calculated using the CPU multiplier and the motherboard Front Side Bus (FSB) speed. On first glance this makes no sense because the QX9650 is supposed to work with a 1333 FSB and uses a 9x multiplier.

The reason is that Intel quotes the effective speed, not the actual speed. The actual speed of a 1333 FSB Intel CPU is 333 Mhz. That is because Intel use a "quad-pumped" bus for their processors. If we multiply 333 by 9 you get 2997 Mhz (close enough to 3 Ghz, which is what the QX9650 runs at).

On all CPUs (except for extreme series) the CPU multiplier is locked upwards (but can usually be freely adjusted downwards, indeed this is what Speedstep technology uses to reduce the CPU frequency when the PC idle, to conserve power).

With extreme series CPUs (or "Black Edition" for AMD, with a few notable exceptions such as the X2 6400+), the multipliers are also unlocked upwards. With Intel extreme CPUs you pay a MASSIVE premium for this and for the default clock speed, which is commonly the highest available for that generation of CPUs, at the time of release). If you are not aware, the X in QX indicates that the CPU is part of the extreme series (and the Q indicates a quad core but I'm sure you know this).

So, how do you overclock the CPU when the multiplier is locked upwards? We know the CPU speed is calculated by the multiplier and the Front Side Bus (FSB), so we have no choice but to raise the FSB and overclock the motherboard in the process.

One of the reasons P35 and P45 are very popular overclocking motherboards is that they are able to reach very high Front Side Bus speeds and are not that expensive. It means you can pair a locked-multiplier CPU like the Q9450 and overclock it up to and beyond the QX9650 default clock speed and pay much less for equal performance.

Overclocking using the Front Side Bus has an obvious downside, being that it increases wear and tear on the motherboard components (stress in other words) and requires memory that can cope with the speed increase (the memory frequency must match or exceed the Front Side Bus speed). As it happens memory really doesn't matter, as PC2-6400 and PC2-8500 (plenty enough for overclocking) are inexpensive (note that DDR is quoted as double the actual speed, it is this actual speed that needs to match the actual FSB speed).

What does this mean for you? Absolutely nothing, because the CPU you have purchased has an unlocked multiplier. By raising the multiplier alone you are overclocking only the CPU (so no extra stress for the motherboard, which is great). As far as voltage required for stability it doesn't matter if you use the multiplier method or the FSB method, both are overclocking the CPU and may require (make that will require if you go high enough) extra voltage to stabilise the overclock.

There is one extra point with multiplier versus FSB overclocking and that is raising the FSB (and memory frequency) increase the throughput (or "bandwidth") and will usually bench faster with a CPU at the same frequency but a lower FSB speed. What you choose to do about that is up to you but personally I would just enjoy the unlocked multiplier and either leave the motherboard as it is, or raise the frequency to the maximum your memory supports (if you have PC2-6400, that will be 400 FSB).

I'm not sure what the range of the unlocked multi on the QX9650 is (must be some limit) but even if it is 11 you get 3.6 Ghz with the stock 333 FSB or 4 Ghz with 12.
 
beautifully put, i understand it now. Thanks a lot dude and no offence taken, which is why i was asking for advice.

Lets just say i aquired the cpu in a game of chance.

LOL!

Ok my memory is ddr2 pc8400, ocz reaper edition. Which had no trouble running at 450mhz, none the less, i will do as you said and try that, i dont really need to push it more past 4.0ghz so i wont. I think ill bring the speed down and try 400*10, which will make my board at 1600 from 1333, and the memory at 400.

Obviously increasing the multiplier will demand a higher voltage and dissipate more heat? Am i right in saying that?

Reason i ask, is that my current cpu the Q9300 is hot on my rubbish asetek lclc liquid cooling. Hot? 65max in prime after 10minutes or so.

So i'm thinking of leaving the multiplier at 10, and should i chose to uprage the water cooling at a later date i can.

Thanks for your help. Please correctly if im talking ****.
 
Obviously increasing the multiplier will demand a higher voltage and dissipate more heat? Am i right in saying that?
If we are talking directly then no, it makes no difference at all. If we are talking indirectly then yes.

What I mean is, the multiplier itself simply changes the resulting clock frequency and that is all. It is the means used by Intel to sell processors at different frequencies (and price ranges).

But, if you raise the multiplier you are increasing the clock frequency, which may (or may not) require more voltage to the CPU to keep it stable. If it does require more voltage then heat output will increase (anywhere from a little to significantly, depending on the added voltage).

The frequency change (from 3 Ghz to 3.6 Ghz or whatever) doesn't make much difference in heat output, at least no where near what adding voltage does. You will often find that there is a "sweet spot" which gives you the best % overclock to the smallest voltage. There are a few overclockers who prefer to overclock only using the stock voltage.
 
any thoughts peeps on a watercooling kit if i budget myself at £200, but i need a 4870x2block.

I really dont know muich about them, my asetek lclc is a simple ready to go kit. Hence my temps are rubbish.
 
I would imagine that a 4870X2 block will cost £80+ if the 4870 blocks are anything to go by. Prob best way is to get your thread count up and buy second hand off the MM. As far as what to get - just do a search as there are plenty of watercooling / spec me threads :)
 
Don't watercool the 4870! Use aftermarket air if you must.

The QX doesn't need massive amounts of cooling, a 120.1 will suffice while staying quiet!
 
but i like silence will watercooling a 4870 with a decent 3 rad not silence it?

And will the temps be any better than the stock cooler?

I have read on some forums that the card gets that hot that the rad wont be able to dissipate the heat quickly enough so temps still are quite high, but will that depend on the kit you buy?
 
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Ok cool, So what your saying is i may have no need to get a watercooling kit, i have just specced up what i think ill need and im going to be looking at the best part of £300 for a pump, 3*rad, res, cpu block, gpu block, coolant clips, barbs and hose.

Will the water cooling be better than air cooling? In terms of temps?

If i get the water kit and the temps arent brilliant then i wont bother.
 
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