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R2 290 reference cooler and noise in silent mode?

Gregster said:
No, they will not all throttle to an extent. Winter gaming see's my temps no higher than 45c and summer gaming see's my temps no higher than 65c (and I am talking long sessions here). You go and tell all the water cooled boys that they will see throttling to an extent in the Summer and they will laugh at you. :D I also don't have the best air flow for my system and could get the temps lower.
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I never said that, unless you are taking it out of context, don't know if that's intent or not?

Read what I said again, long story short, I said max oc's for water in winter is going to be higher than summer, hence mentioning the thread, your taking it down a different route.

AMD/Nvidia reference cards will both throttle in the summer if they get too hot, the fault may not always be the fault of the card, sub par air flow will hit harder, the card gets the blame.

Noise on the reference AMD will be a bigger issue in the summer than heat as it will hit 95c quicker and need to spin faster.
 
tommybhoy said:
I never said that, unless you are taking it out of context, don't know if that's intent or not?

Read what I said again, long story short, I said max oc's for water in winter is going to be higher than summer, hence mentioning the thread, your taking it down a different route.

AMD/Nvidia reference cards will both throttle in the summer if they get too hot, the fault may not always be the fault of the card, sub par air flow will hit harder, the card gets the blame.

Noise on the reference AMD will be a bigger issue in the summer than heat as it will hit 95c quicker and need to spin faster.
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I never once mentioned max overclocks or anykind of overclocking, so not sure why you are now mentioning that? It was about throttling and how heat will make cards throttle. Stock clocks are seeing the 290's/X's throttle already when they get hot and in a big way. The point is how bad the reference cards really are and Martini has said that his Tri-X is a complete contrast to the abysmal ref cooler.

I know it isn't a problem because there is things you can do to stop throttling such as - Water cool/Change cooler/ Run Air con but none of that would have mattered had AMD sorted out the cooler like that guy said (didn't say) they were going to do.

And we all know that 95c is a little warm, regardless of what AMD say :D
 
It was you who started on the 'science thing', when you answered to my post which was discussing oc's/max oc's in regards to throttling in the summer, I'm not the only one who corrected you.

Reading this thread is more like a personal sense of glee on your part(in the hope) that 290/x's will throttle.:(

Gregster said:
Stock clocks are seeing the 290's/X's throttle already when they get hot and in a big way.
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When it was only Nvidia throttling, they made it acceptable in the first place, you weren't vocal at all, did you defend it?

The cooler could have been better, but are AMD to design a new one and launch the 290X@Titan prices:£800+ or the 290@£600+???

No they get a product out the door put cooling on it that does the job at the expense of noise and let the AIB's concentrate on the custom coolers to keep pricing down-something that is forgotten, concentrate on the big picture for once man.
 
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What'd you mean Nvidia cards throttle? If you mean, their boost throttles, it's not at all the same really.

I don't know how it keeps price down when the AIB cards come in around the same price eventually to be perfectly honest (You get price variations with reference cards, and overpricing, so no one start posting 300 quid ref cards and 360 quid none ref cards)

I don't think anyone would complain at spending an extra 20 quid at launch for a better cooler.
 
The 6 series onwards was proven that they throttled, that's why some reviewers changed to testing on 'warmed up' cards instead of cold runs.
 
Cat the filth knows all about the Nvidia cards throttling, 670/680 and titan on launch. He has a load of links with websites documenting it as well so hes the person to ask. I know this as he discussed it with me via trust a while ago. Never bothered to mention it though as its of little interest to me personally.
 
But that's using throttling in another context, that in which the boost goes lower (And technically, even then it can get iffy, at "stock" no "boost" my card would still overclock, and then "throttle" as it got warmer, but not lower than the base clock)

It's a different situation.

At least, was the experience with my GTX 680.
 
tommybhoy said:
There you go, the Lt always knows the seedy things in life.
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I could care less tbh, but just remember him mentioning it to me at the time and showing several articles where it was being discussed. Basically it was Boost high for short time for benchmarks, then throttle back down to lower speed and fall behind the equivalent AMD card at the time.
 
Neither could I, I'm only mentioning it now as per my words above with greg.

@mArt,

AMD 290 base clock is 800Mhz, it 'boosts up to' is how AMD marketed the 290's.
 
The nVidia cards only throttle by 13-26 MHz though generally. Even stock cooler based ones. Which is a lot less noticeable on performance than 1-200 Mhz (or whatever).

Edit: and I'm talking over time here based on using a 680 or two for a long enough period of time.
 
tommybhoy said:
@Mart,

AMD 290 base clock is 800Mhz, it 'boosts up to' is how AMD marketed the 290's.
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I know that's how it's marketed (Rather quietly, and almost exclusively by AMD), MMJ's pointed it out a few times.

http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/r9 (Only "upto")

I think the "base clock's" lower than 800MHZ though, Anandtech in Furmark got a 290X down into 700's.


But the figures we're getting from reviews don't have the card at 800MHZ, nor do the figures AMD will give out ; http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-164-PC&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1752

Core speed = 1030MHZ.


http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-014-KF&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=2255

Core, and then a separate rating given for the boost.

And we're getting down a slippy road with this type of brand defence IMHO.
 
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Wow, I am impressed how many replies got the initial post.

Going back to very first question, it does seem that the reference AMD cooler remains bad as was the case with 7950 as well. Especially for someone who is looking for silent solutions, this cooler is not good enough no matter the fan profile.

Although I have been an AMD customer for some years, I find it embarrassing for AMD all these years not to have designed a proper cooler, such as the 780/780ti reference design. Market sets the standards and the truth is that since your main competitor has designed a good and silent cooler, you must adjust.

For me noise is the main factor that I will prefer a used 780 over a 290...
 
yannis76 said:
Wow, I am impressed how many replies got the initial post.

Going back to very first question, it does seem that the reference AMD cooler remains bad as was the case with 7950 as well. Especially for someone who is looking for silent solutions, this cooler is not good enough no matter the fan profile.

Although I have been an AMD customer for some years, I find it embarrassing for AMD all these years not to have designed a proper cooler, such as the 780/780ti reference design. Market sets the standards and the truth is that since your main competitor has designed a good and silent cooler, you must adjust.

For me noise is the main factor that I will prefer a used 780 over a 290...
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That's partly why amd reference cards are so cheap though. Its why a lot of people buy them. If amd started slapping expensive coolers on their cards then the price would shoot up. AMD's superb price vs performance is then gone. However i do think they need to improve their reference cooler and i think they will. I don't think we'll see this kind of cooler again on high end amd gpu.

You can get a AIB 290 for pretty cheap now, as cheap as reference cards so id rather have a brand new AIB 290 than a second hand 780, but thats just me. AIB 290's are cool and quiet and have none of the problems the reference cooler has.
 
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