R600 Die pics......

sargatanas · 24 Nov 2006 at 21:10

Cyber-Mav said:
laugh now but when r600 is released don;t tell me i didn;t warn you.

Tbh you might be right, you have about a 50/50 chance right now. But theres no way for you to know that yet.

LoadsaMoney · 24 Nov 2006 at 21:13

Cyber-Mav said:
laugh now but when r600 is released don;t tell me i didn;t warn you.

If you hate ATi that much, then why do you have an x1900, unless your sig is wrong as your always slagging em off.

Cyber-Mav · 24 Nov 2006 at 21:27

not that i hate ati, just that they always pee me off with late products. but i guess late is far better than a card that will fail after 3 days cough**79series**cough

but from what ive heard the r600 will not be using embedded dram which is what makes the gpu so quick in the xbox and allows for free 4xAA in everything with no performance hit whatsoever.

if they use embedded dram on r600 then no doubt it will be far faster than the peliminary reports say.

only time will tell.....

Gashman · 24 Nov 2006 at 21:46

R600 preliminary reports?! where, what, huh?

Boogle · 24 Nov 2006 at 21:50

Cyber-Mav said:
but from what ive heard the r600 will not be using embedded dram which is what makes the gpu so quick in the xbox and allows for free 4xAA in everything with no performance hit whatsoever.

Thats not true, even with 2x AA devs have trouble getting sufficient performance. Don't know of many games (if any) that use 4x AA.

Gashman · 24 Nov 2006 at 22:01

yeah i heard that xenos is supposed to do 4xFSAA with no performance penalty :confused:

HighlandeR · 24 Nov 2006 at 22:36

For a card thats meant to be out in 8-10 weeks time id expect nothing but running silicon if not a whacky overkill heatsink or card thats almost as big as a case

Boogle · 24 Nov 2006 at 22:50

Gashman said:
yeah i heard that xenos is supposed to do 4xFSAA with no performance penalty

'supposed to'. Doesn't in practice. Its unfortunate, since some of the jaggies on X360 are unreal.

Gerard · 24 Nov 2006 at 23:03

Someone mentioned somewhere that the xenos is capable of free 4xfsaa if the games designed with the checkerboard rendering system in mind. :confused:

FrankJH · 24 Nov 2006 at 23:23

Gashman said:
theres high probability R600 will be faster than G80, look at it in a LOGICAL way:

1) ATI have more experience in the unified shader architecture (xenos, very fast and impressive GPU).

2) ATI have had another 4+ months after G80.

3) ATI high-end products recently have been more impressive, for example 1950XTX beating the in most games 7900GTX and keeping toe to toe with the 7950GX2 in most games as well, in mid-range the X1950 Pro beating the 7900GS in most games, ATIs only weak link is entry level, X1650 doesn't beat the 7600GT, but all the other levels ATI have the stronger cards at the moment, barring low-midrange and DX10 level.

4) with AMD now owners of ATI they have access to AMDs foundries and 65nm fabrication.

5) R600 is HEAVILY revised version of 'xenos', meaning were expecting it to be a fair large amount faster

so all in all theres good chance R600 will better G80 in most games due to those things stated above, for all you know it could absolutely hammer G80 in a way never before seen, theres a lot of specifications floating around, lots of them saying 64 unified pipelines (not shaders, full pipelines), 800mhz+ core speed, 2Ghz GDDR4 and at least 512-bit memory interface, so im gonna totally disagree with cyber-mav (sorry dude) and say i think the offering from the red camp is gonna be a strong one, worth the wait

I agree with all of this apart from part 4 - AMD have had nothing to do with ATI fabrication and they wont do for 18 months to 2 years (from press releases that they have released). Ok so the Merger was announced in June /July time and confirmed only a few weeks ago, and R600 is due for release in approx 8 weeks ...... thats roughly 4 - 6 months earlier than AMD predict a joint product (which is after all what you are suggesting)

Also the X1900 was as impressive as 7900, and the X1950 was only a few % more effective - you can look at that two ways, but from some figures the Crossfire X1900 was 1.5 times better than the GX2.......

Gashman · 25 Nov 2006 at 00:27

FrankJH said:
I agree with all of this apart from part 4 - AMD have had nothing to do with ATI fabrication and they wont do for 18 months to 2 years (from press releases that they have released). Ok so the Merger was announced in June /July time and confirmed only a few weeks ago, and R600 is due for release in approx 8 weeks ...... thats roughly 4 - 6 months earlier than AMD predict a joint product (which is after all what you are suggesting)

Also the X1900 was as impressive as 7900, and the X1950 was only a few % more effective - you can look at that two ways, but from some figures the Crossfire X1900 was 1.5 times better than the GX2.......

well you'd hope AMD would give ATI direct access to limited fabrication, since ATI is fab-less company, X1800 and above were better than there NVIDIA counterparts, 1950 only brought higher overclocking potential and cooler running as they were 80nm, but im sure everyone is writing off R600 before they even see its specification just because there all hyped up about the 8800 series :rolleyes:

rayb74 · 25 Nov 2006 at 10:34

All those bustin boners and shouting "My 8800 rocks, don`t moan if you cant afford it " will all be shouting exactly the same thing about R600 when it comes out.

FrankJH · 25 Nov 2006 at 13:13

Gashman said:
well you'd hope AMD would give ATI direct access to limited fabrication, since ATI is fab-less company, X1800 and above were better than there NVIDIA counterparts, 1950 only brought higher overclocking potential and cooler running as they were 80nm, but im sure everyone is writing off R600 before they even see its specification just because there all hyped up about the 8800 series

I dont think they will to be honest - after all AMD are busting a gut trying to produce 4*4 parts not to mention AM2 etc etc for Dell (not to mention others)

I really dont think AMD will have the capacity just yet - but I could be completely wrong

oweneades · 25 Nov 2006 at 14:06

Boogle said:
'supposed to'. Doesn't in practice. Its unfortunate, since some of the jaggies on X360 are unreal.

Agreed, PGR3 is terrible (but that is due to different reasons mainly being the actual resolution it is rendered at), however some games on the 360 really make use of the 'free AA'. Dead rising is a good example as is gears of war.

The 'free AA' on the 360 is confusing. In theory it means a maximum 4xAA should be allowable but in practice it isn't this easy. With the right coding it can be done but unfortunately this takes time.

As for the actual topic unless ATI really balls up the R600 should be at least on par with the G80. I doubt they will make a X1800XT 'mistake' again. (whereby the uber hyped card was no quicker in most scenarios than Nvidias long released 7800GTX).

Sir Random · 25 Nov 2006 at 22:53

More pics here:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1858381&postcount=3

wannabedamned · 25 Nov 2006 at 23:54

LOL, It's daily now isnt it.

8800 threads get attacked by...I'll call them the waiters.

And the R600/R700 threads get attacked by the...The G80 Owners.

--

I have a question.

How many people out there are after performance?

Me, I'm going to buy an 8800

If the R600 GFX card comes out, And it kicks the 8800's batooty. I'll be selling my 8800 (YES AT A LOSS). And getting myself an R600 card.

If the 8800 is faster the the R600 card, I'll stick with my 8800, And then replace it, when either... A faster G80/G85/G90 card is released or when the R700 cards comes onto the market.

MetalStorm · 26 Nov 2006 at 00:00

sargatanas said:
Looks smaller than the die for the 8800's to me.

Don't be so hasty - the pictures of the G80 cores was WITH a heatspreader, which did make it pretty mammoth, but I think the overall size of the silicon was around 400mm^2? Anyone got the exact figure?

Its_Me · 26 Nov 2006 at 00:02

wannabedamned said:
LOL, It's daily now isnt it.

8800 threads get attacked by...I'll call them the waiters.

And the R600/R700 threads get attacked by the...The G80 Owners.

--

I have a question.

How many people out there are after performance?

Me, I'm going to buy an 8800

If the R600 GFX card comes out, And it kicks the 8800's batooty. I'll be selling my 8800 (YES AT A LOSS). And getting myself an R600 card.

If the 8800 is faster the the R600 card, I'll stick with my 8800, And then replace it, when either... A faster G80/G85/G90 card is released or when the R700 cards comes onto the market.

I'm hopeful

Ill be in the MM waiting......

But seriously
R600 means good things for me, but only due to it meaning my upgrade will come in the form of a used 8800. I guess I'm not alone in my way of thinking, the savings made for 5-6months wait can be huge.
As for the Die size - well at least your getting your money's worth of slicone it seams.

MetalStorm · 26 Nov 2006 at 00:08

wannabedamned said:
LOL, It's daily now isnt it.

8800 threads get attacked by...I'll call them the waiters.

And the R600/R700 threads get attacked by the...The G80 Owners.

--

I have a question.

How many people out there are after performance?

Me, I'm going to buy an 8800

If the R600 GFX card comes out, And it kicks the 8800's batooty. I'll be selling my 8800 (YES AT A LOSS). And getting myself an R600 card.

If the 8800 is faster the the R600 card, I'll stick with my 8800, And then replace it, when either... A faster G80/G85/G90 card is released or when the R700 cards comes onto the market.

I still have a 9800pro!

marscay · 26 Nov 2006 at 01:06

Cyber-Mav said:
its all to do with marketing. why do people like vauxhall release cars that can;t even keep up with ferraris?

its all for different markets.

that doesn't even make sense.

you think R600 is going to be that slow versus G80 it's going to be designated as a mid-range card?? ROFL

priceless stuff mate, keep it coming.....really.