r600 on agp.

Frippy · 27 Mar 2007 at 14:52

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38288

BubbySoup · 27 Mar 2007 at 14:56

Great times ahead for this thread as it protracts into another AGP is dead flame-fest.

Booner! · 27 Mar 2007 at 15:03

BubbySoup said:
Great times. AGP is dead

Fixed.

hehe let the games commence

trojan698 · 27 Mar 2007 at 15:07

Frippy said:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38288

lol ok

jaykay · 27 Mar 2007 at 15:41

lol agp fans will be loving this even more power
probally to counter nvidias 7950gt coming in agp form

ovia · 27 Mar 2007 at 15:43

Not really an R600 though is it :rolleyes:

Anyway, I do like the look of the heatsink on it.

Darkwave · 27 Mar 2007 at 15:45

ovia said:
Not really an R600 though is it.

I know The Inquirer is hard to read, but at least try.

The Inquirer said:
So for those users that want a AGP perfromance part this company will offer DirectX 10 boards based on RV610 and RV630.

LoadsaMoney · 27 Mar 2007 at 17:56

Its only ATi's mid/low range that GeCube are gona do for AGP, not the full blown high-end x2900 XTX's.

Darkwave · 27 Mar 2007 at 18:21

LoadsaMoney said:
Its only ATi's mid/low range that GeCube are gona do for AGP, not the full blown high-end x2900 XTX's.

It's still R600 on AGP though, just cut-down versions.

Brwmogazos · 27 Mar 2007 at 18:28

Thats all news lads right?

This card has been available for quite a while, and is the graphics card i am about to buy...but i have been put off by many posts from people that bought them and are already facing probs

Darkwave · 27 Mar 2007 at 18:48

Brwmogazos said:
Thats all news lads right?

This card has been available for quite a while, and is the graphics card i am about to buy...but i have been put off by many posts from people that bought them and are already facing probs

The X1950XT has been available for quite some time and it's only really HIS models that have had common problems, such as rattling fans on the IceQ 3 cooler amongst other things.

The R610 and R630 coming to AGP are going to be totally brand new cards.

IceShock · 27 Mar 2007 at 22:52

why dont they just stop making agp so every one gets pci-e..

the agp thing is so 3 years ago or somthing daft lol

Darkwave · 27 Mar 2007 at 22:53

IceShock said:
why dont they just stop making agp so every one gets pci-e..

the agp thing is so 3 years ago or somthing daft lol

Believe it or not, some people like the processors and motherboards they are using now, and believe it or not some people would rather spend that sort of money on other things.

22BUK · 27 Mar 2007 at 23:12

AGP was superceded far too soon. Only current top spec NVidia 8800's require more bandwidth than AGP can offer. Why change your to PCI-E when AGP offers ample performance for all but the hardcore gamers and benchmark addicts?

Darkwave · 27 Mar 2007 at 23:37

22BUK said:
AGP was superceded far too soon. Only current top spec NVidia 8800's require more bandwidth than AGP can offer. Why change your to PCI-E when AGP offers ample performance for all but the hardcore gamers and benchmark addicts?

Yup, truth. G80 is the first thing to saturate even AGP 8x levels of bandwidth.

Cyber-Mav · 28 Mar 2007 at 04:50

22BUK said:
AGP was superceded far too soon. Only current top spec NVidia 8800's require more bandwidth than AGP can offer. Why change your to PCI-E when AGP offers ample performance for all but the hardcore gamers and benchmark addicts?

yep you speak the truth. agp is still alove and probably more agp users out there than pci-e users.

Priapus · 28 Mar 2007 at 10:02

I am glad they are still going to release newer AGP cards, as I really don't want to get rid of my Shuttle XPC System just yet, lol.

Dutch Guy · 28 Mar 2007 at 10:18

I am really surprised that they still make fast AGP cards when a Nvidia 8800 is very slow, even at PCIe 8x

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/03/27/pci_express_scaling_analysis/

Darkwave · 28 Mar 2007 at 10:50

Dutch Guy said:
I am really surprised that they still make fast AGP cards when a Nvidia 8800 is very slow, even at PCIe 8x

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/03/27/pci_express_scaling_analysis/

G80 (specifically the 8800GTX) requires a lot more power and a lot more bandwidth than an AGP 8x or PCI-E 8x slot can provide, so it takes quite a nasty performance hit. The 8800GTS works fine on PCI-E 8x, but it would probably saturate AGP 8x as it's unidirectional.

I think G80/R600 marks the final nail in the coffin for AGP 8x performance parts, but I have no doubt that mid-range components on AGP 8x still have a few years left if not more. R610, R630 and the 8600s aren't anywhere near as demanding as the 8800s from what we have heard so far.

Dutch Guy · 28 Mar 2007 at 11:35

Ulfhedjinn said:
G80 (specifically the 8800GTX) requires a lot more power and a lot more bandwidth than an AGP 8x or PCI-E 8x slot can provide, so it takes quite a nasty performance hit. The 8800GTS works fine on PCI-E 8x, but it would probably saturate AGP 8x as it's unidirectional.

I think G80/R600 marks the final nail in the coffin for AGP 8x performance parts, but I have no doubt that mid-range components on AGP 8x still have a few years left if not more. R610, R630 and the 8600s aren't anywhere near as demanding as the 8800s from what we have heard so far.

I guess AMD/ATI have thought about it and I don't think there will be a performance hit otherwise they would not make them.

I do think that they have kept AGP alive for too long and that the R&D cost could be better spent on other things.