Racist! Really?

Uncle Petey said:
@Jono8
Maybe I missed it, but have you actually explained why you think it's so important that her depiction isn't 100% accurate?
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To explain the furore around the picture.

Essentially that the artist appears to have drawn a Sharipova/Kournikova type player (thin, long straight fully blonde hair, caucasian (i guess nordic/aryan looking essentially) etc) in place of the first Japanese/Haitian player to win a grand slam. I can see why that rustled a few feathers, but i don't think it was intentional. More just lazy journalism/artistry *stick generic looking female tennis player here* type of thing.
 
Angilion said:
But I do understand why some people have perceived it that way, despite it being provably untrue. We're all prone to doing as we're told if we're told often enough and that even extends to what we think. That's part of human nature and part of why it's important to look at evidence, try to be objective and try to consider intent.
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It isn't provably untrue though. The only person who knows the truth is the artist.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one and say it has been perceived incorrectly. That doesn't mean i can't see what others are upset/offended about.
 
Jono8 said:
It isn't provably untrue though. The only person who knows the truth is the artist.
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It is provably untrue because the image is publically available in digital form and can be fed to software to objectively determine the actual colours used. Which has happened. Including in this thread.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one and say it has been perceived incorrectly. That doesn't mean i can't see what others are upset/offended about.
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Mainly, they're offended by racial and sexual equality - a "black" woman getting the same treatment as a "white" man is what's offending them. Which is why I don't care about them being offended - their views are foul and they deserve to be offended. Even assuming that they actually are offended and aren't just using it as a political tool. The untrue statements about the background depiction of Osaka are a result of them being offended by Serena Williams not being given the preferential treatment they think her sex and "race" deserves, not the cause of them being offended (or pretending to be in order to gain power and/or money).
 
Angilion said:
It is provably untrue because the image is publically available in digital form and can be fed to software to objectively determine the actual colours used. Which has happened. Including in this thread.
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That doesnt prove anything other than fact the artist used a darker shade than than the umpire but a lighter shade than Serena. That doesnt change how overall , the figure looks like

Angilion said:
Mainly, they're offended by racial and sexual equality - a "black" woman getting the same treatment as a "white" man is what's offending them. Which is why I don't care about them being offended - their views are foul and they deserve to be offended. Even assuming that they actually are offended and aren't just using it as a political tool. The untrue statements about the background depiction of Osaka are a result of them being offended by Serena Williams not being given the preferential treatment they think her sex and "race" deserves, not the cause of them being offended (or pretending to be in order to gain power and/or money).
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You may think that way. Personally, i think most are actually just scared of it all happening again. Lets not forget, only 60-70 years ago Serena would have been forced to sit in a black only part of a bus because of her colour in America. Its horrible to think that is still so recent. Unfortunately, there is still therefore this understandible sensitivity to what may or may not be racist.

This does sometimes go slightly over the top though, i agree. However i still think on the whole, the intentions come from a good place and it isnt as bleak as you make out.
 
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Skunkworks said:
I assumed it would be the 1st result as that's the exact vid title. It's the one on this channel. It was the first thing you post reminded me of.
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Cheers. It seems that not everyone's search results are ordered the same. I checked a few at 3:40, starting at the top, and although funny I couldn't see the relevance. Still, I had a good time. :D

Edit: ah, the "di-di-di-di-ding-ding" tune? Yea, that'd do it.
 
Jono8 said:
To explain the furore around the picture.

Essentially that the artist appears to have drawn a Sharipova/Kournikova type player (thin, long straight fully blonde hair, caucasian (i guess nordic/aryan looking essentially) etc) in place of the first Japanese/Haitian player to win a grand slam. I can see why that rustled a few feathers, but i don't think it was intentional.
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The furore about the picture is mainly about Serena's depiction AFAIK.
I have seen a couple of people trying to say that Osaka looking white and chill contrasted with the angry black stereotype is meant to signify Black=bad, white=good, but I think they're guilty of seeing what they want to see and making it mean something that was never intended.
As said, people see whatever fits their narrative. The pic isn't that deep...

How exactly do you depict a Japanese/Haitian in a figure that tiny and lacking detail? Remember, this was intended to go in the corner of a page in a newspaper, not blown up for scrutiny on the internet.
Mentioning that she's the first player of her particular heritage to win a grand slam is irrelevant because the pic isn't about her.
As said many times already, it's about Serena's behaviour effectively relegating Osaka and her achievement to the background. The cartoon achieves that.

Getting caught up in over-analysing her hair not being frizzy enough, her skin not being dark enough or her frame not being thick enough is simply looking for sleights where there are none and missing the point of the cartoon that was never meant to be an accurate depiction due to the nature of the art style.
 
Uncle Petey said:
The furore about the picture is mainly about Serena's depiction AFAIK.
I have seen a couple of people trying to say that Osaka looking white and chill contrasted with the angry black stereotype is meant to signify Black=bad, white=good, but I think they're guilty of seeing what they want to see and making it mean something that was never intended.
As said, people see whatever fits their narrative. The pic isn't that deep...

How exactly do you depict a Japanese/Haitian in a figure that tiny and lacking detail? Remember, this was intended to go in the corner of a page in a newspaper, not blown up for scrutiny on the internet.
Mentioning that she's the first player of her particular heritage to win a grand slam is irrelevant because the pic isn't about her.
As said many times already, it's about Serena's behaviour effectively relegating Osaka and her achievement to the background. The cartoon achieves that.

Getting caught up in over-analysing her hair not being frizzy enough, her skin not being dark enough or her frame not being thick enough is simply looking for sleights where there are none and missing the point of the cartoon that was never meant to be an accurate depiction due to the nature of the art style.
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Read the very first comment in this thread :p
 
And and if you look at the crowd, they all look the same.

Racist hate crimes.


On an unrelated note on the way back.from london I was following a girl of african descent off the train and couldn't help notice that she was whatsapping a contact called Real*****

I was this close to pointing out how racially offensive that was!
 
Uncle Petey said:
Sigh... I'm pretty sure he didn't even know that she actually has blonde hair at the time.
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I dont know if he did or he didnt. I was just giving you an example of how it was so easily misinterpreted because the artist actually drew a figure that far more closely resembles someone like sharipova than osaka.

What i am saying, is that it isnt people just looking for something racist like so many are trying to right it off as.
 
Jono8 said:
I dont know if he did or he didnt. I was just giving you an example of how it was so easily misinterpreted because the artist actually drew a figure that far more closely resembles someone like sharipova than osaka.
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He didn't know and was later corrected.

I knew and didn't think anything of it. See how it works?
 
After so many pages of this stuff, all I can say is: how sad it must be to live your life constantly looking for tiny points of detail on which you can accuse people of being hateful - obviously with an agenda of discrediting the author's character and promoting the idea of basically ostracising them from society.

I thought we were all trying to get along here but IMO modern identity politics is doing the complete opposite and driving people apart. Since I was a teenager I've been convinced that we are all regressing and I'm starting to think that my naive thesis is coming true.

When did we all become so pathetic? I have Indian and Jamaican mates who find the modern political arena extremely ******* awkward because everyone seems obsessed with pointing out the fact that we are all so different. Isn't that the complete antithesis to abolishing racial discrimination? I actually find myself apologising to them about the knob heads who feel offended on their behalf on the internet sometimes.
 
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