no need to ring them regarding R800, waste of credit. they had thier chance and they blew it. after the demise of R600 i kept getting calls for help from Ati. had to change my number
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also i don;t need first hand experience with these newer cards to guage thier performance, thats for noobs who can;t read and understand reviews and don;t know how to compare performance between cards without having them in thier hands. there are thousands of people that are out thare that don;t need all the cards in thier hands to do personal testing with to make a decision. and then there are the few out there that struggle to make a decision without having the cards in thier hands.
i can tell you a x1800xt is better than a 6600gt, and iv never had those 2 cards, and im correct in what i say.
i can tell you a 8800gt is better than a 3870 and i have never had either of those 2 cards.
gfx cards are not like icecream, you don't need to taste each one to find out which is better.
i can tell you a x1800xt is better than a 6600gt, and iv never had those 2 cards, and im correct in what i say.
i can tell you a 8800gt is better than a 3870 and i have never had either of those 2 cards.
gfx cards are not like icecream, you don't need to taste each one to find out which is better.
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LOL @ mav..again another unintentionally funny uninformed post..(sticking to form i see)
Yeah and i suppose its so easy to compare reviews when most are getting drastically different results in games or using older drivers that barely work with the new cards.
Sorry kiddo but the best way is to try it for yourself, theres so much talk of sites being biased for or against this or that card, the only way to be sure is first hand experience. And when it comes to first hand experience of the current gen you have ZERO.
But you feel somehow qualified to run your trap a a moments notice about stuff you've no clue about. Any idiot can point to reviews which show this or that card in a better light, its the fact that sites are getting very different results that point to the fact theyre full of crap in the first place and these days relying on any one site only for the results to be totally contradicted by another is a way of life with pc hardware.
LOL @ mav..again another unintentionally funny uninformed post..(sticking to form i see)
Yeah and i suppose its so easy to compare reviews when most are getting drastically different results in games or using older drivers that barely work with the new cards.
Sorry kiddo but the best way is to try it for yourself, theres so much talk of sites being biased for or against this or that card, the only way to be sure is first hand experience. And when it comes to first hand experience of the current gen you have ZERO.
But you feel somehow qualified to run your trap a a moments notice about stuff you've no clue about. Any idiot can point to reviews which show this or that card in a better light, its the fact that sites are getting very different results that point to the fact theyre full of crap in the first place and these days relying on any one site only for the results to be totally contradicted by another is a way of life with pc hardware.
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the thing your forgetting to see is that everything i say is so far been true. 8800gt is faster than the 3870, and thats not just reviews but its also user reports on this forum and others.
even when i said the 2900 is a load of crap compared to the 8800gtx tomnbk used to post links to reviews trying to show that the 2900 was just as good as the gtx. but then as we all know he went out and got the gtx and confirmed what i had been saying all along that the gtx was the better card.
if anything gerard insted of getting all those cards in your hands you shoudl first get some basic education in your hands then get a diploma in there too. since what your saying is that anyone and everyone that makes a purchase needs to try it for themselves other than reading reviews.
what about the cpu section people asking which is the cpu to go for, dual or quad core etc, you saying those guys shoudl go out and buy both and try them out first hand and keep the one they like?
it doesn;t work that way pal, not everyone has more money than sense around here.
You are very much mistaken Mav, I never said the 2900 was better than the GTX, I always used to argue that it was better than the 320/640 GTS and post reviews about that but never the GTX, the 2900 was never meant to compete with the GTX everyone knew this - common knowledge.
If you think you can educate me on hardware purchases you are very wrong. I don't take pointers from someone who doesn't have first hand experience with the cutting edge hardware himself
After all you are the one still on a dated X1900 and an Opterwhat?
If you think you can educate me on hardware purchases you are very wrong. I don't take pointers from someone who doesn't have first hand experience with the cutting edge hardware himself
After all you are the one still on a dated X1900 and an Opterwhat?
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Let's not even start that argument again. Reviews showed it the faster card 90% of the time simple as.
Only person that needs some basic education around here is clearly you. Reviews are writen by one person, in some cases its a case of results and opinion, in others its a case of them letting their opinion cloud the results. Reviews can be interpreted in many ways due to the spin that the reviewer puts on it.
Put it this way hardocp reviewed core 2 and basically stated the gaming performance difference was negligable. Yet just about everywhere else said the difference was huge. Another example of reviews that should show the same results for everyone faltering.
The same holds true for games, a reviewer may hate a game while people that buy the game can find it enjoyable. Yet many people base their decision on what 1 random person on a website says.
Maybe if you put something constructive into your posts instead of comments a 2 year old would find retarded people would take you more seriously, instead of the blinkered, negative soapbox mounting fanboy that you portray on these forums
I know, but just because reviews show that does not mean its true.
I don't trust reviews anymore in any case
prefer to go on first hand experience too many variables with reviews.
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Can we change the title of this thread to "only trolls need apply".
C'mon guys, lets get back on topic, lets be optimistic about this new card, as these specs look promising (yeah I know, so did R600's blahblahblah).
C'mon guys, lets get back on topic, lets be optimistic about this new card, as these specs look promising (yeah I know, so did R600's blahblahblah).
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Hence why I said "These" specs and not "THE" specs.
details, DETAILS!!!
details, DETAILS!!!
8600gt is not too shabby a card, i have one in my media pc but its not as good as the 8600gt man makes it out to be. (althoug i have the ddr2 version not ddr3)
Hence why I said "These" specs and not "THE" specs.
details, DETAILS!!!
Well the only thing we know for sure is they are utilising multi gpu for the high end board. The ddr 5 rumour came out a few days back.. Find it hard to believe they'd adopt it so quick after ddr 4 and the r580 ringbus had some problems.
the specs looked promising for the 2900xt, 320 shaders 512bit memory interface, highish clocks, etc.
all i can say about whats so far been said about R700 is proceed with caution, im not going to buy into the large numbers game as the history has shown us, large memory interface and silly high number of shaders don;t really pull off the performance in the real world, but do look good on paper.
im not gunning for ATi to fail again, if they do succeed it just means that i can pick up a G92 8800gts for a cheaper price than what it currently goes for.
remeber, it was ati that adopted gddr4 in the first place for the x1950xtx card. so they could well pull out gddr5, probably just for marketing reasons.
they could advertise the card to support all the latest tech, 55nm, gddr5, and full dx10.1 compliance. - i can already imagine those 3 stamped on the boxes of the cards.
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A lot of people seem to be getting mixed up with the DDR speeds, they are the SD clocks they are speculating at. So Double them and you will get the clocks.
Yes yes yes! thats what I want to hear from everyone!, then we wont get many flame wars when people say this
.Lol some how I doubt the 4870 will be running with ram @ 4.2Ghz
.What I think is, if its using the R600 arc then those specs really dont look impressive at all, and if the 9800GTX uses 8800 arc but had say 256SP's, 24rops, 1Ghz core clock, 1-2GB GDDR4 etc... then to me the specs of the NV would look more interesting and impressive, not being an NV fanboy, just if they based them on previouse arc, judging my previous performance from the R600 Vs G80/G92 then it could be a problem.
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Lol some how I doubt the 4870 will be running with ram @ 4.2Ghz
I dont see why really, knowing the potential of GDDR5 to hit higher frequencies. May need ridiculously high clocks to cover for the latencies.
The 3870's are already hitting 2.8Ghz on GDDR4, and they may well be trying to make up for not using the 512bit bus any more. Definetly feasable in my head.