radiator calc

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İs there a back of fag packet calc for working out how much radiator you need for x watts of gpu


ive just ordered a 2nd gtx 580 and am thinking of going to water cooling (will need to when i go tri sli)

will a quad rad such as sr-1 be enough or... what?
most of the guides etc i can find talk about cpu plus 1 gpu, cant find anything about 2 or 3 gpus
 
Quick guide is 1x120mm of rad for each component to be cooled plus an extra for a little headroom.

So: 1xGPU, you could get away with a 120mm rad, but would be better with a 240.
1xGPU, you could get away with a 240mm, but would be better with a 360 etc.
 
I'm not sure I can agree with that - it's a bit tooo simple
saying "1 component", a CPU might only need to dissipate 150 watts, where as a stock GTX 580 is about 250, and OC'd one 300-350

I was wondering if anyone knew roughly what certain radiators can dissipate, I do plan on OC'ing all three (otherwise there's not a massive point to going under water anyway)

I also can't even find any "I have got TRI-SLI and I am running x radiator either" and don't really fancy just having a go to discover I've got the wrong thing

I did see they do a quad 140mm version of the SR-1, might that be enough? or in cost terms a EK 360 rad is half the price of a quad SR-1, so I could get 2 360's then I'd have 2 x 120mm per GPU
 
easy way of doing it is this:

120.1 for every component in the loop

add another 120.1 to ensure temps stay low

anything after that shows diminishing returns.


example:
2600K + GTX 580 SLI

needs a minimum of a 120.3 rad
works best with a 120.4 rad
a configuration like a 120.4 and a 120.2 would be overkill.

it does of course depend on how tight your budget is, how much space you have available in the case etc. there is no hard and fast rule tbh.

in your case, a 2011 cpu and 580 SLI would be fine on a 120.4 rad.
go for something like an SR1 and make sure you pair it with fans like the Gentle Typhoons to keep the noise down
 
easy way of doing it is this:

120.1 for every component in the loop

add another 120.1 to ensure temps stay low

anything after that shows diminishing returns.


example:
2600K + GTX 580 SLI

needs a minimum of a 120.3 rad
works best with a 120.4 rad
a configuration like a 120.4 and a 120.2 would be overkill.

it does of course depend on how tight your budget is, how much space you have available in the case etc. there is no hard and fast rule tbh.

in your case, a 2011 cpu and 580 SLI would be fine on a 120.4 rad.
go for something like an SR1 and make sure you pair it with fans like the Gentle Typhoons to keep the noise down

If you went with 2 radiators would you need two loops? or both in one loop?
 
I won't be water cooling the CPU as I'm happy with the silver arrow (my motherboard won't push the OC any harder and temps are well under control and virtually silent)

I will be planning on OC-ing and going to TRI SLI 580

my concern is that a 120.4 won't quite be enough for tri sli, I'm mounting Externally so space isn't an issue

cost wise, 2 EK 120.3's are about the same price as 1 SR-1 120.4 but I can't find any reliable way of working out if the 2 EK's would be better than 1 SR-1 or about the same, or if that would be enough for 3 x GTX 580

why don't Rad manufacturers spec some wattage values @ x CFM
household radiators do exactly that, and it should be a hard and fast rule

it's really annoying

budget isn't a massive issue, but I'd much rather buy something knowing it will be enough and only have to build it once, I don't want to buy a 120.4 then discover it's not enough as a 120.4 plus a 120.2 will be a lot more than just buying 2 120.3's in the first place, or maybe I need 120 x 8 so actually I need 2x120.4 so i need to allow for that in the budget rather than spending £300 and then discovering I need another £100 to make it work

build it right, build it once

actuall, I've just had a reply on another forum, they say a good quality Rad will disipate roughly 110watts per 120mm, so for Tri SLI OC I will need up to about 900 watts, so I will need at least 8x120mm
 
easy way of doing it is this:

120.1 for every component in the loop

add another 120.1 to ensure temps stay low

anything after that shows diminishing returns.

So if you have 2 GPU's in cross fire and a CPU (for this argument socket 2011 and 7900 series) (all overclocked) a 480 (120.4) should be sufficient?

Does that mean a 560 (140.4) will show diminishing returns?
 
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So if you have 2 GPU's in cross fire and a CPU (for this argument socket 2011 and 7900 series) (all overclocked) a 480 (120.4) should be sufficient?
yes

Does that mean a 560 (140.4) will show diminishing returns?
no, because a 560 and 480 are pretty similar in price :p
 
My recent experience is that its better to stick with 120mm radiators, the fans for 140mm radiators just aren't good enough really.
 
120.4 SR-1/XSPC RX/Thermochill TA would be my choice for tri-sli 580's or sli 580's and a cpu.

I was cooling an i7 950 and sli 580's with a pair of 120.2 XSPC RX rads and it was fine, i then upgraded my case and added a 120.4 SR-1 into the loop just because i had the space and it didn't really make much difference at all, maybe a few degrees at load and faster temp drop from load to idle but that's it.

Highest temps i had on my 580's running the old setup of 2x 120.2 XSPC RX Rads benching at around 960MHz on the cores and 4.2GHz on the i7 950 were 50c ish and that was in summer with maybe a 27c ambient room temp.
 
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If you went with 2 radiators would you need two loops? or both in one loop?

depends what you want, you could do.
I have had two rads in one loop for two years now.
as long as you have a good pump then there is no reason why not:)

I will be planning on OC-ing and going to TRI SLI 580

tri SLI 580s would be fine on a quad.
they would probably be alright on a triple tbh
remember that GPUs are less sensitive to heat.
it depends entirely on how much oc headroom you want and if your cards genuinely benefit from lower running temperatures.

when I had my 480s it was just nice to have them quiet but i found that the lower running temps allowed for massive overclocking potential.

two quads for trisli sounds like misinformation to be perfectly frank.

So if you have 2 GPU's in cross fire and a CPU (for this argument socket 2011 and 7900 series) (all overclocked) a 480 (120.4) should be sufficient?

Does that mean a 560 (140.4) will show diminishing returns?

relatively speaking yes.
with the right fans and case it should be fine. 2011 runs about the same temp as a 1366 cpu

7970s are fairly cool running cards and should only generate heat when they are heavily clocked.

it all depends what you want to cool.

a pair of 480s would heat up a loop loads more than a pair of 6970s for example.

there is no hard and fast rule, just guidelines.

for example. if you look at my tj07 build log in my sig, I have a 480 and a 240 rad.

these were originally cooling a gulftown cpu, 4890cf and a motherboard.
all with massive clocks on

the rad setup was about right, I could have gotten away with a 120 instead of the 240 but I wanted to fill the space in my case tbh.

I now run the same watercooling hardware but on a cpu and gpu block.
the cpu and gpu I have now run loads cooler and there is no mb in the loop so it is total overkill.

if I removed the 240, I doubt I would see a temperature change.
 
so you had 6 x 120 for components with TDP of 130+190+190 (+motherboard, what, 50W?) = 560W
yet you are saying I only need 4 x 120 for TDP of 244+244+244 = 732W ?

that doesn't quite make sense to me

using the only sensible rule of thumb I've found, 6x110W = 660W so that calc works out that yes you did have head room for OCing... where as 4x110W means trying to stuff 732W of graphics card in to 440W of radiator

given that a 120.9 rad is only £5 more than a 120.4, I think I'll play it safe and get the phobya 1080


with my current setup my GPU's glitch as soon as they hit 70C, doesn't seem to matter what speed I set them to, if I set the fans to 100% I can get close to 900mhz out of them before they hit 70 but if I turn the fans down to a sensible level the cards hit 70 and glitch - I have to turn them down to 840 to keep them under 70C at 70% fan, the whole point of going to water will be to keep them under 65C and hopefully get 900+mhz and keep the noise down to a minimum

it won't be until after I've bought my new house and have more space for desk + 3 monitors anyway so I'll keep searching out someone else that already has 3 x 580's under water to see what temps they get and what rads they are running
 
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Back of the envelope approach. Assume adequate flow rate.

Estimate the wattage you're cooling, W.

Estimate the performance of the radiator as generic C/W value:
Very slow fans this is about 0.1 C/W / number of 120mm blocks
Very fast fans 0.05 C/W / number of 120mm blocks

This gives you the increase in water temperature over ambient.
For example, 200W, a single double radiator with slow fans, should be a water temp (over ambient) of approximately:

200W * ( 0.1C/W /2 ) = 10 degrees.

Then you need to know the difference in temperature between the silicon chip and the water, so the delta of the waterblock. For a good cpu block mounted competently, this is around 15 degrees. I don't know a figure for a gpu block.

Then Ambient + Waterblock delta (from tables/google) + water temp (estimated above) = processor temperature.


edit: Obviously, the number of radiators & speed of fans you need, depends on the temperature you're looking for. 10 degrees over ambient is a reasonable figure, 5 is very good. Keep the water temperature below 70 degrees to avoid problems with tubing & pump.
 
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tri SLI 580s would be fine on a quad.


that doesn't quite make sense to me

ambient temps, flow rate and fan speed make more difference.

I have seen systems running GTX 295 SLI on a 240

again, it boils down to what headroom you want/need

i ran 480 sli and a 5ghz westmere on a 480 for a few weeks without issue

Andre Moore, one of the other shop Dons is running SLI 580s at 1000mhz with a 5GHz 2600K on a 240 and 2X 120 XSPC EX rads [so basically a 480] without issue.

lets say the 5ghz 2600k gives off similar heat to another 580.

so yes.

i would imagine that your tri sli 580s that run cooler than GTX480s would be fine on a 480 as long as you have a good pump.

also, consider parallel flow as you will get a nice even temp over your gpus.

i wouldnt suggest it if it didnt work.

if anything I should be saying you need 6 quad rads because I am the guy who is supposed to be selling them to you!
 
Just to add to the above..

The cards can manage 1050 core, with the cpu at 5.3ghz for benching.

During this period the temps hit around 54c loaded on the GPU and the CPU after a good hour or so of messing around.

These temps soon drop down to around 25C-30C idle.

The rads in question are not any where near as high a capacity as an SR1 for instance and with that in mind I should think a tri sli 580 set up on any decent 480 rad would be more than sufficient.
 
Back of the envelope approach. Assume adequate flow rate.

Estimate the wattage you're cooling, W.


thankyou! that's awesome
what do you define as "fast" or "slow"

I'm aiming at getting 1200rpm / 49CFM / 25DBA fans so I'm guessing that would be medium, say around 0.08C/W in your calcs

running some numbers I work out that a quad would be fine with stock clocks, even up to a certain degree of OC'ing but would start to need fast / loud fans if really pushing it - also doesn't allow much for each card in series running slightly hotter than the one before

parrallel seems like an awful lot of faff and flow suffers quite badly so would I need more than one pump? which again increases the cost quite a bit
 
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