RAF Spitfire crash.

Very sad. Alas with the age of these planes it feels like it was somewhat inevitable that at some point something like this was going to happen if they kept on flying them.

I woner what the RAF will do following this in terms of maybe grounding what's left of them.

Shush. What the RAF will do is a full investigation and keep the BBMF flying. These are pampered and immaculately maintained.

If only Boeing were held to the BBMF's standards...
 
Aircraft of all ages can malfunction. The BBMF fleet are probably among the most well maintained aircraft in the country with many months of deep maintainence throughout the winter
Thsse heritage aircraft do seem to have a high raite of failure though as well as the shoreham air crash disaster some years ago it wasn't the first incident some years before a WW2 lancaster bomber went down all killed in that too and I heard that one going down
 
Shush. What the RAF will do is a full investigation and keep the BBMF flying. These are pampered and immaculately maintained.

If only Boeing were held to the BBMF's standards...

"Shush"? :rolleyes: Wut?

What point do you call it? 90 years old? 100? 200? 500? Obvisouly not a view point which you like, but pragmatically there has to be a point when you say "no more" due to the risk to life.
 
"Shush"? :rolleyes: Wut?

What point do you call it? 90 years old? 100? 200? 500? Obvisouly not a view point which you like, but pragmatically there has to be a point when you say "no more" due to the risk to life.
When the plane can no longer be maintained, it stops, like the Vulcan.

Watch 'warbird workshop' on CH4, they go to extreme lengths on these planes, if it's damaged, it's replaced for new.
Everything is overhauled to a schedule, nothing is left to chance.

It's just unfortunate the engine failed, like it can on any aircraft.

Shame it flipped, maybe he had the undercarriage down, as it was shortly after take off.

RIP
 
Thsse heritage aircraft do seem to have a high raite of failure though as well as the shoreham air crash disaster some years ago it wasn't the first incident some years before a WW2 lancaster bomber went down all killed in that too and I heard that one going down
Shoreham had bugger all to do with maintenance and everything to do with an over-confident pilot: https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2...-pilot-has-applied-to-get-flying-licence-back

Please provide link to the Lancaster crash and the "high rate of failure" statistics.
 
"Shush"? :rolleyes: Wut?

What point do you call it? 90 years old? 100? 200? 500? Obvisouly not a view point which you like, but pragmatically there has to be a point when you say "no more" due to the risk to life.
You can get killed by a bus crossing the road! Flying is one of the safest modes of transport: https://www.bus.com/blog/safest-mode-of-transportation/

Plenty more links to the same conclusion available.
 
Thsse heritage aircraft do seem to have a high raite of failure though as well as the shoreham air crash disaster some years ago it wasn't the first incident some years before a WW2 lancaster bomber went down all killed in that too and I heard that one going down

There are 2 airworthy Lancasters, BBMF own 1 and the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum own another. Not been more or less than those 2 for many years. We may have another one at some point with Just Jane being slowly restored to flight, although she can taxi already. BBMF one has been airworthy since 1967 and the CWHM one since 1988. No crashes.

If you mean the B17 crash in Texas, that was a mid air collision where a P63 collided with it. They apparently weren't told to keep to an certain altitude to keep separation.

"Shush"? :rolleyes: Wut?

What point do you call it? 90 years old? 100? 200? 500? Obvisouly not a view point which you like, but pragmatically there has to be a point when you say "no more" due to the risk to life.

Once a part cannot be repaired or replaced as new, and has no equivalent available. It's not airworthy. It's very simple.

It's genuinely surprising how little is original on a lot of of these restored warbirds. In some cases, it's just the data plate and the rest of the wreck is just kept 'somewhere'. Although I visited one restorer who worked meticulously to use as much original as possible. His FW190 was over 95% original metal, even the bulb in the gunsight was the original one.
 
Shoreham had bugger all to do with maintenance and everything to do with an over-confident pilot: https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2...-pilot-has-applied-to-get-flying-licence-back

Please provide link to the Lancaster crash and the "high rate of failure" statistics.
Huh it was a Hurricane not a lancaster. Anyway wind your neck in the spitfire crashed at low altitude shortly after takeoff leaving little room for anything but a forced landing if it was a modern aircraft the pilot would eject and that would be that these flights are inherently more risky.
 
Not always the case, a red arrows pilot crashed a few years back shortly after take off, didn't eject...
Not sure if they ever worked out why.
 
Looks like one of the BBMF Spitfires has gone down at Coningsby, pilot killed.
RIP

Ahh shucks, I knew him :(

Lived in Coningsby for 15 yrs and worked closely with the RAF base for 6 as Finance Manager for their huge nursery and he was one of the parents at the time.
 
The annual Overlord show was at Denmead this weekend, they usually have a Spitfire fly over at some point in the show but I didn't hear one go overhead this weekend. I'm assuming it was cancelled because of the crash.
 
Very sad. Alas with the age of these planes it feels like it was somewhat inevitable that at some point something like this was going to happen if they kept on flying them.

I woner what the RAF will do following this in terms of maybe grounding what's left of them.

There are plenty of 60 year old B52 airframes that have been flown by 3 generations of the same family and those are in active service. Not just for shows and they fly at much higher altitudes. They will be close to 80 when they are retired.

I wonder if this plane will be rebuilt or is that it? One of the great things living close to Coningsby is seeing these beasts in the sky on a regular basis.
 
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The annual Overlord show was at Denmead this weekend, they usually have a Spitfire fly over at some point in the show but I didn't hear one go overhead this weekend. I'm assuming it was cancelled because of the crash.

The fleet has been grounded pending investigation into the circumstances behind the crash
 
I wonder if this plane will be rebuilt or is that it? One of the great things living close to Coningsby is seeing these beasts in the sky on a regular basis.

I imagine much worse has been dug out of the ground an rebuilt, the spitfire is rare so i'd be shocked if it didn't warrant fixing.
 
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RIP Mark Long.

Very sad. Alas with the age of these planes it feels like it was somewhat inevitable that at some point something like this was going to happen if they kept on flying them.

I woner what the RAF will do following this in terms of maybe grounding what's left of them.
As others have said these aircraft are maintained very well to, or in excess of their original flight standards and with 80 years worth of information on what is likely to go wrong and when.

If anything something like a Spitfire or Hurricane is a much simpler aircraft to keep flying than many newer designs (iirc almost every part can still be made from scratch or rebuilt, something impossible on many much newer aircraft), unfortunately you still have the chance of something going catastrophically wrong
 
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I imagine much worse has been dug out of the ground an rebuilt, the spitfire is rare so i'd be shocked if it didn't warrant fixing.
They will no doubt 'repair it' which looking at the state of it will be almost an entirely new aircraft by the time it is ready to fly again but that is often the way with these things a lot of the second world war planes still flying don't actually have much second world war plan left!

Tragic loss of life but the pilots all know the risks involved.
 
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