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*Huge thread revival from 12.5 something years ago :eek:*

For the latest post and start of current project, and photos of this one, and the next (yes I built another) clicky here and it's halfway down page 7.

Or carry on reading below for where it all started but unfortunately as all my original photos have gone :( (don't suppose they are archived anywhere mods? Probably not...) so it's not really concise I'm afraid...

Also cars have really moved on in the last twelve years and Corsa B's are WAY old and boring now (I know I know, you all thought they were even back then) so chances are the thread will not interest you in the slightest.

Anyhow... Original below





Hi there,

Having not competed for a few seasons now I've now decided to build another road rally car. I have an Escort but it's too precious to thrash down the lanes anymore hence she's having a rest.

I used to rally MK2 Astra's but they are hard to find now especially a 2 door. Tried a MK3 but not really the same.

So, I decided on a Corsa, a 1.4 8 valve SRI to be precise. Why? Well it's reasonably quick as standard and they are easy to tune, easy to work with, are reasonably cheap and handle well when you know how. They also have a Lotus designed head that can give huge gains when done properly so I'd be looking around the 110hp mark when done, not too shabby for something that will weight no more than 900kg.

Why a 1.4? I've always ran in the under 1500cc class as i know there engines well, and also because I don't need a massive finacial package to actually win something. Additionally there is endurance rallying where all cars must be under 1400cc. It's an event that will use farm tracks/yards, stately homes, old airfields, some forstry etc... All in one event.

Ok onto the car, first things first, get it home!
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Right colour, but as you can see it has a sunroof. not for long..


First thing i do is rip most of the interior out and throw it away.
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Also remove as much as i can from the dash and remove all under carpet sound proofing, still a few bits to remove here.
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Bought this OMP steering wheel for my Astra but never got around to fitting it
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Next job - Carbon Fibre door panels which should arrive Tomorrow. Also got Battery cable and connectors turning up, you'll see what they're for soon. A Custom sparco rollcage is about two weeks away.

I'm hoping to show you what it takes to get a bog standard car into a rally car, will update as much as i can but i do have work commitments. I'm also hoping to offer you guys some choices i could make along the way if you want.

Thanks for looking.
 
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Hi
My budget is maybe 3k, haven't decided yet tbh :)
If i competed around here on my local ground then the car would be competitive now for road rallying. But that's only because i know all the lanes for 50 miles radius of here, would be like having pacenotes, too easy. It is suprisingly quick down the lanes, she's really light so it can be thrown around like a rag doll. I did try it out on the way home and injured the rear bumper slightly, bouncing off the hedges sometimes actually helps to get round quicker ;)
 
Liverpool-Lad said:
If you are goijg that far, rip out everything, headlining, sound deadening, lose the dash and just have a set of clocks, also lighten the loom
All soundproofing is gone, headlining is out but MUST be retained for road rallying regulations. Need to weld a couple of plates in the big hole first :). Dash must also be retained for the same reason.

Will try and update as much as i can, next one should be sunday after ive hopefully put the carbon fibre door and rear cards in.
 
Hi
Unfortunately 40's are out, regulations again :(. she is multipoint injection though, allowing me to stick a chip in to suit the cam i choose. Cam wise, will go for a Kent NVO63K with solid lifters. Already sourced a 4into1 man, system and de cat pipe. Will also lighten the flywheel when i stick the Quaife sc/cr box on her. She WILL rev her nuts off, you can count on that :)
 
I can't really lose the carpets fully, a few bits here and there will just about get me through. The rear seats also need to be in but as it's a hatch they are permitted to be folded down. Due to this i can discard the bottom and just basically fold down the back bit, minus it's guts it wont add hardly any weight at all :)
 
Firestar_3x said:
Looks good, but its got a sunroof!
Yes it has, but like i said in my first post, not for long. Ive removed the roof lining and next up is to remove the sunroof and all the cradle that supports it. Will cut out two pieces from a scrap corsa's roof. One to fill the hole itself, another bigger piece to sit underneath, inside the car to support and stiffen it :)
 
Ok just a quick update.
The carbon fibre door/rear panels are no longer available :( After some thought ive decided that i will replace the original front door panels. Why? well i'm getting conflicting reports about the regulations for revival rallying, some say the original interior needs to be retained (panels, roof lining and carpet) other say any panel will do. So, play it safe, originals back in. Secondly they have pockets which can be used for maps, tape, torches, spare bulbs, pens and barbie comics. Thirdly, they have speakers in, if i can source a miniature car radio (anyone know where?) i can hide somewhere it'll be something to listen to on any 55mph motorway journeys... The weight of the panels and speakers is minimal really, they are more useful than the weight i'd lose. Rear panels, watch this space.

Orders - My order from Demon Twits turned up, battery cable, terminals, heatshrink and cable clips.
Also from Peter Lloyd came my extinguishers, one hand held for minor disturbances and a plumbed in unit for severe interior or engine bay fires. The plumbed in system is operated by pull cables that set off the extinguisher. There will be two exits on it, one will simply exit into the cockpit and the other, connected to a pipe will be fed into the engine bay. Also got a Navigators footrest and a FIA battery cut-off switch. The battery box was out of stock, will arrive shortly. The battery itself will be moved from the engine bay and put in the rear of the car. The cable will then run from the back, along the exhaust tunnel (inside the car) to the cut-off switch on the dash, then onto the engine bay.
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Will take photos along the stages of fitting all this stuff.

cheers.
 
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chopchop said:
how r they easy to tune ? (my car has the same engine)
Very - you can slide a cam in easy enough with the right tools. K&N, exhaust, de-cat, chip and a power boost valve will give it a decent little gain.

Yes a plumbed in extinguisher is mandatory for all stage rallying. Not required however for revival or road rallying, im going to get the car RAC log booked so it must have one. Im not planning on using it of course, but if needs be, its there.
 
A Kent NVO61/62k will give a increase of 10/12 bhp on its own. Yes i was offered a Micra as a swap actually! turned it down as I think they are ugly, i *know* vauxhalls like the back of my hand and you cannot get a straight cut box for the Micra, something which is a huge advantage due to the fantastic ratios offered.
 
Jonny69 said:
Ha ha ha ha lol at this thread
Not quite sure what part amuses you...

Anyway a small update.
Received the battery box, gave it a quick rub down and slapped on some red spray. It's been secured in the rear and is awaiting a shiny new battery to go with it. Will need to add a stabilising bracket from the box and also put some latches on the lid.
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Now the battery box is in place i can run the main power cable down through the car. I've run it around the side to begin with as i may have to put a rear/fake seat in for regs. Obviously i don't want anything rubbing or resting on the wire.
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As you can see i've secured it with clips and it's kept well away from any possible contact with anything that could chafe it. You can see that it goes up behind the dash and out throught the old stereo slot. In here i'll be putting the main battery master switch. Need to get some ally plate before i can do so.
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After a bit of head scratching i decided that the handheld extinguisher should be placed in the centre, between the seats. It's close by and easy to grab even with harnesses on. Speed is most defianately of the essence when dealing with a fire.
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Next job will be to put the extinguisher/master switch pulls outside on the front of the car. After i have done this i can see how far the cable goes and work out placement for the plumbed in extinguisher. I will hopefully be able to fit it beneath the navigator's legs at the front of his seat. It is a tight squeeze though so we'll see.
 
Hi,
Yes i'm going to get rid of the black stuff off from the rear floor/boot area. Not sure about the stuff in the front as i may be putting some carpet back in. Can't really be bothered just yet anyway, loads of other stuff i want to get sorted first.
Wheels wise i'll probably go for 15 inch with 195/45 rubber. Need to see what my gear ratio's are like first after slapping the Quaife in. Suspension 'may' be Gaz coilovers, not cheap at £425 though. It depends how often i'll need to change the ride height and damping really as i can get Bilstein inserts for half that price. Brakes will probably be Late Astra SRI jobbies or something. Decals none, not allowed for road rallying although i can use magnetic decals for stage and possibly 'some' revival events.
 
Hi, My car will be ok for road rallying. I've put the front door panels back in and made some rear panels. Carpets will also be put in here and there to get through scrutineering. I know all the tricks for getting them through so there's no worries there :) Yes, revival rallying is a new format now coming in to play.

Jon, i'll get some pics of the Escort when i go up there, not sure when though.

Have some more pics later, day off so i have a bit of time to work on it.

Jay - The XS is a nippy little motor and would be perfect for the 1400cc class, same engine as the AX GT/GTI.
 
Right i had some sheets of plastic lying around that i had never used. I decided to use these instead of getting ally plate. Using what you already have is a good idea when doing something like this otherwise you will spend a fortune. The stuff is supposed to look like carbon fibre (yes really) but of course it looks nothing like. Still it looks ok ish so it'll do plus it costs me zero pence.

Made a template out of cardboard first and then drew around that and got the correct shape onto the plastic. I cut around with some good quality tin snips, got the drill out and wacked them in. A bit wobbly on the top line but not too shabby.
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Next up, use some of the same stuff and mount it in the stereo slot. In here i put the battery master switch and a extinguisher pull. The cable that runs through the car now connects to the rear of the master switch.
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As you can see the nav's footrest is in place.

Now a quick exterior job, the master switch and extinguisher pulls need to be placed and ran into the car. Basicallly if i have an accident and knock myself out, someone from outside can set the extinguisher off or cut the battery power.
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Going to ring up tomorrow to find out the progress of my rollcage. Before that can be fixed in though i need to find a 3dr corsa without a sunroof so i can cut a big plate out of the roof and get a lining.
 
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Seats arrived last week but only got chance to do something with them today. Also Sabelt pro 4 point, 3 inch harnesses in red.
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The seats are fairly light but more importantly they are cofortable and wide. If this was a dedicated stage car then i would have chosen some kevlar seats which hug you a bit more and are narrower. As it's a road/rally/stage car then ive gone for these Sparco's. They are nice and wide enabling me some freedom of movement when not in competition and generally more relaxing to be in.

Starting with the drivers side seat, i retained the original seat base mountings and stripped off all the bits not needed. Popped down the road a few miles and bought a few pieces 2 inch angle. Drilled some holes in the right place and voila, easy fixing on to the original car mountings. Needs to be painted yet but you get the picture.
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The position is nearly right. The front leg support is a little high but in time this will lower through use. Also i could do with being tilted back just a tad, lowering the rear of the car should give me this tiny bit of recline i need. Seat position is really important, driving 140 competitive miles in something that's uncomfortable is asking for trouble.

The passenger side will need to be lower and further back so this will be bolted more or less directly to the floor via some more angle. I can't really do this yet as the main hoop of the Cage will be right by the rear of the seat and they may come into contact. Also door bars need to go in and again they may be pushing against the side of the seats.
I have also placed the plumbed in extinguisher alongside the trans tunnel on the navigators side. This however might not be any good here as i want to put a WRC Vertical hydraulic handbrake next to the gearlever. At present it looks like it wont quite go past the extinguisher so it may have to be moved.
I have done all the wiring for the ignition and Master Switch, all power can now easily be cut.
Still no cage, damn those Italians having two weeks off work! ;)
 
Sorry, been away these last few weekends and didn't realise i had any replies... I *might* know to something for you, will have a look this weekend when i'm up at the garage. Otherwise i presume that you've tried Demon Twits/Peter Lloyd/Jason Lepley etc?

As far as the corsa goes, still no cage :( but ordered the exhaust and manifold. Does anyone know what these 'sport' Cats are like? Do they mostly get rid of any loss of power or should i just throw a decat pipe on there?
No other updates i'm afraid if i haven't been at work i've been in Bristol, will try and give you something at the weekend if i can.
 
First off, sorry Lopez but there wasn't anything i could find suitable for you.

Ok small update, removed the rounded part from the dash on passenger side. This enabled me to fit this external fusebox for auxiliaries such as spots, potti, map light etc...
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I will also be putting a tripmeter/timer here, right in front of the navigators eyes so he has no excuses for booking me in early.

Next up, the exhaust came but no manifold. Not too much of a worry as it needs to be MOT'd with the cat in place first. I have decided to use a MK2 Astra 4-1 manifold and modify it to suit. Went for a Ashley mild steel competition system as they are cheap, well made and good fitting. No point in a £350 stainless job as it will be ripped off more than once in it's life.
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As you can see, the bodgers united have been hard at work on the old one! It came off after some help from a friendly hacksaw. The pipe coming out of the cat is a little shorter than normal so that needs to be done before the pipe can go on properly.
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Taking the car upto the garage later this week to start on the hole in the roof. Have sourced a new roof lining and top half of a Corsa from my local breakers, also a new rear bumper which i damaged on the way home (my bad) needs to be sprayed. Hopefully the cage might make itself known very shortly.
 
Hi, that's fibreglass on the exhaust, someone bodged over a hole in the pipe and in doing so covered the u-bolt holding it on. They also welded the front part to the cat outlet.
Never thought about getting the dash flocked actually, that's a nice idea, thanks.

Had a bit of a chat with mate last week who was in turn talking to guy he knows. A place in Leominster are getting, wait for it... 170 BHP out of these babies and 180 BHP from the 16v units. Ok so they have everything possible done to them but for a 1400cc unit that is mighty impressive. As the Corsa is so light and with power like that, they've recorded faster times than WRC cars on the same stages :eek:
 
Hi guys, sorry for the lack of updates but been really busy aswell as travelling to and from Bristol. Right i have got the latest tech regs for revival rallying. Due to the severe limitations of what can be done to the car i need to decide on what i want it for. If i do revival then it'll be a struggle to have the car competitive for even road rallying. If i don't do revival then i can continue as i am and use the car for road rallying and stage events. Here are the regs for revival rallying...

A.1 DEFINITIONS
The term 'car' will mean a unitary construction motor vehicle designed to carry four or more persons. The term 'model' refers to all the variants of the same family of cars. The terms 'standard' and 'original' will mean conforming to the showroom specification of the actual model of car entered as it was produced and sold to the general public through the manufacturer's usual dealer outlets. The Organisers will have absolute discretion in identifying separate models.

A.2 CAR SPECIFICATION
All cars and their components, e.g. engine numbers, must conform to their vehicle registration document and the statutory vehicle regulations. Cars must be in completely standard condition except for the specified modifications detailed in these regulations for the Class in which the car is entered. All other modifications are prohibited and will be penalised up to exclusion from the event. All components and equipment, and every measurement and dimension must conform precisely to the manufacturer's published standard specification for the particular model of car entered. Entrants must supply the Organisers with any vehicle documentation as required.

A.3 COMPONENT PARTS
Every part or component of the car must be a standard production item identifiable as the manufacturer's listed and numbered part, except where alternative components are specifically permitted by these Regulations. No standard part may be machined, lightened or polished unless specifically permitted within these Regulations.

A.4 SAFETY EQUIPMENT
It is mandatory that all cars be equipped with:

An AFFF fire extinguisher of at least 1.75 litres. This must be within easy reach of both occupants inside the car and be securely mounted in quick release brackets bolted to the car. If a plumbed-in system is fitted, an additional hand-held AFFF extinguisher, as above, must also be fitted.

Seat belts to at least MSA Blue Book Q 2.1 and Q 2.1.2 specification (full harness, 4 point fixing).
Rollover protection to at least MSA Blue Book Q1 specification (single hoop and 2 back stays).

Front windscreen of laminated glass.

Mud flaps for all four wheels.

First aid kit, warning triangle, tow rope and SOS/OK Board.

A.5 BODY (exterior)
Cars must have bodywork that represents the manufacturer's original profile, as in standard or manufacturer's optional extra form. All bodywork panels must be of the material provided as standard by the car manufacturer. Front and rear bumpers must be retained and be of the same material and dimensions as those fitted by the manufacturer. The fitting of additional wheel arch extensions is prohibited. Cars may not be lightened from the manufacturer's standard production weight. Strengthening of the bodyshell is permitted. De-mountable strut brace(s) may be fitted. Detachable sump guards, transmission, fuel tank and silencing system protection plates may be fitted. Bonnet, door and rear door/hatch locks may be changed and additional catches fitted. Sunroofs are acceptable.

A.6 BODY (interior)
All major internal trim must remain as originally supplied by the manufacturer. The exceptions are:- full harness belts must be fitted; a roll cage must be fitted; the steering wheel may be replaced; the front seats may be replaced; rear seats may have their backs folded down and securely fastened (or cut only where necessary to allow the fitting of the roll cage and seat belts); parcel shelves may be removed; trim and carpets behind the rear seats in the boot space may be removed; inside door panels may be reshaped to accommodate roll cage door bars or substituted by an alternative panel from a model variant; safety air bags may be removed or disabled; additional instruments, switches and controls may be fitted providing the layout of the original components is not changed; interior accessories may be added to improve comfort, convenience or safety, provided they do not affect the performance of the car. The glass areas of the car must not be rendered opaque except for the sunstrip area.

A.7 ENGINE & TRANSMISSION
The engine must in all respects conform to that originally fitted by the manufacturer for the model of car. No part may be machined, balanced, lightened, polished or otherwise modified in any way except for a service reground crankshaft and/or cylinder re-bore which does not exceed 1.5mm (60 thou) or does not exceed the engine capacity class limits by more than 2.5%. Engine and gearbox mountings may be modified or replaced provided there is no alteration to the engine and gearbox or their position within the car. Additional engine braces are allowed provided they utilise existing attachment points on the engine and a strengthening plate may be attached to the base of the sump pan. Dry-sump lubrication is not permitted. Forced induction is not permitted. Carburettor engines may have only the standard, maximum two carburettor chokes (two single or one double.) Fuel injection engines must retain the standard injection system complete with plenum chamber and throttle body unmodified. Air intake trunking, to the air filter, is free. Air filters and elements are free, but must be fitted to ensure the vehicle complies with MSA noise regulations (see A.8 below).
All component parts of the gearbox and transmission must remain as standard and be unmodified except the clutch friction material which is free. The fitting of a limited-slip differential is prohibited.

A.8 EXHAUST SYSTEM
The original exhaust manifold must be retained as standard but the dimensions and routing of the exhaust system after the exit of the manifold may be modified provided any originally fitted catalytic converter is retained. Additional straps and brackets may be fitted to the exhaust system. Noise levels must comply with the MSA noise limits for road rallies which requires the vehicle to produce no more than 74 dB(A) at 2/3 maximum rpm, when measured at an 8.0m distance from the centre of the car.

A.9 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
The wiring loom and ignition and engine management system may be modified. The battery may be changed and its mountings strengthened but its position must remain as standard.

A.10 LIGHTING SYSTEM
Vehicles may have a maximum of four forward facing beams, as well as side & indicator lights. A headlamp provides the main beam and dipped functions. An auxiliary lamp provides a beam other than that provided by the headlamp.

A headlamp may consist of a single reflector with a dual filament bulb, or separate reflectors, each with single filament bulbs providing the functions of main beam and dipped beam separately. These will be considered as the equivalent of a single, dual filament headlamp unit.

Lamp units comprising two reflectors, where one reflector is fitted with a dual filament bulb, will be considered to be a combined headlamp and auxiliary lamp. In this instance therefore, additional auxiliary lamps may not be fitted.

Auxiliary lights using gas discharge technology are not permitted. Gas discharge headlamps may not be retrofitted. Light pods are not permitted.

Where more than four beams are fitted as standard, only four may be used and the rest must be rendered unusable for the duration of the event.

No external navigation or marshals' lights are permitted. No reversing lights other than those fitted by the manufacturers are permitted.

A.11 FUEL SYSYTEM
Alternative fuel pump(s) may be used. Fuel lines may be changed without restriction but must be protected by a fireproof covering where they pass through the interior. The fuel tank may be changed.

A.12 COOLING SYSTEM
The position of the water radiator must remain unchanged but the core construction and mountings may be changed.

A.13 BRAKING SYSTEM
All brake components must be as standard except for the friction material of brake pads and linings and the brake fluid. Hydraulically operated parking brakes are not permitted. Anti-lock braking systems may be removed or disabled. Hydraulic brake lines may be changed and stone protection added.

A.14 SUSPENSION & STEERING
The suspension type and mountings shall remain the same as that fitted by the manufacturer. The shock absorbers may be of any make and may be uprated from standard, remote reservoirs and adjustable spring platform struts are permitted. It is prohibited to fit telescopic instead of lever arm shock absorbers and vice versa. Springs are free but must retain their original location. Bushes may be changed for similar polymer materials but rose-joints or similar metal joints are prohibited. Power assisted steering systems may be removed. Steering and track control arms may be changed or strengthened provided the operating dimensions remain as standard. Wishbone pans may be strengthened but the operating dimensions must remain as original. The geometry of the suspension must not be altered.

A.15 WHEELS & TYRES
The only tyre to be used throughout the event is the 'Road Plus' range, as supplied by Colway. The only exception is an emergency during the event when another tyre has to be purchased from a retail outlet in order to remain in the event. This action must be reported to the Chief Scrutineer at the end of the Leg. Failure to do so may result in penalties as detailed in Article 4.2 and 14.2. It is the intention that additional Colway 'Road Plus' tyres be available for purchase at the end of each Leg. The choice of road wheel is free provided that the wheel-tyre combination fits within the standard unmodified wheel arch. The number of wheels and or tyres carried in the car is free and they must be securely fastened in position.

As you can see, going by those i'll have to put the battery back under the bonnet, the original full interior panels and carpets back in. Bits back on the dash and steering column, no cam, no straight cut box, no nothing much :( Basically all the gear ive taken out and thrown i'll have to go buy back again and reverse most of the work i have already done. The good thing about revival is that it's quite cheap, you're all in equally competitive cars, it's in the daytime and can cover 300/400 miles and is a great few days out. So basically i'm in a bit of a quandry now as to what to do with the thing...
 
The point of revival is that everyone has the same chance to be competitive. You could be a millionaire but you wouldn't be able to spend loads on your car giving you the advantage. It's quite possible to be a front runner in a quite basic car. I'd be happy with the regs if i didn't want the car for road rallying aswell. You can spend £20,000 on a road rally car (and they do) and there is no recognition, prize money, nothing. Revival is aiming big, with 8 or so large events next year and the MSA pushing it hard as the next big thing. I know what they are upto, they have opened up the road rally classes and you can run some hellish machinery nowadays. This will lead to more problems with the public and police (it's bad enough already), the MSA know this and will use it as an excuse to ban it. I'll give road rallying another 2-3 years and it'll be gone.

For those that don't know much about the event types i'll explain. Road rallying = using public roads/lanes at night, meeting oncoming traffic is probable, the spectators are alomost always problematic (driving like prats, chasing rally traffic, parking by peoples homes and shouting, handbraking, wheel spinning etc), local residents complain to the organising club and the police. Around here the police have actually been turning up at the start of events and telling all competitors that if they use the handbrake on a hairpin they'll be knicked. The police have been out in force as of late, mostly to control the spectators (read boy racing chavs who think they are all colin mcrae and lots of them) We get residnets parking tractors, placing straw bales or simply standing in the middle of the road on a corner. Bricks through windscreens, chains and wire tied across the road. Road Rallying is a PR nightmare, there's no two ways about it.
Revival rallying = Driving on stages only, i.e. farm tracks, parks (e.g.weston park), old airfields, forest roads, fields etc mostly in the daytime, in quieter cars. All public roads that link these stages will be non competitive, just like a WRC event. It's cheap, you only need basic mods on your car and you could be up there fighting for the lead by just being a decent driver. I love road rallying but it doesn't take a genius to see which direction our sport is heading in the next few years.

Btw http://www.endurorally.com/index.html
 
That Police intrusion has come down to here now aswell as from the midlands, it's kind of attacked us from all sides. My local rally had the tractors, bricks and chains all in one night. I hope road rallying doesn't go but it will, let's hope we get the opportunity to compete in the last events ever. My club is actually running a revival event next year, covering around 400 miles. Hopefully i'll do it and see what the future holds for us.
 
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