Rapists

C.R.A.Z.Y · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:01

And they let idiots like this own guns :rolleyes:

GhostlyPea · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:03

manic111 said:
Simply because the law of rape refers to penile penetration by the perpetrator on the victim. Women lack penises, and therefore cannot commit the crime.

They can be convicted of assault by penetration, which is penetration of the anus or vagina with a part of the body or something else, and has the same possible sentences as rape.

So realistically, the difference is only semantic. Women can't be convicted of rape, but can serve the same sentence for assault by penetration.

That's fair enough, sort of what I was expecting the general response would be. Seems the wording needs updating IMO. A woman could quite conceivably force a man to penetrate her which is still rape really, but it doesn't fit in with the legislative wording

- GP

mrbios · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:06

I entered this thread purely because of who the OP was. Was not disappointed.

manic111 · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:07

GhostlyPea said:
That's fair enough, sort of what I was expecting the general response would be. Seems the wording needs updating IMO. A woman could quite conceivably force a man to penetrate her which is still rape really, but it doesn't fit in with the legislative wording

- GP

There are a lot more statutes that need their wording changed, I imagine something which is effectively semantic is not a priority. I agree that both are rape and don't quite know why Parliament decided to separate the two offences, but it doesn't ultimately affect the sentencing.

GhostlyPea · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:09

manic111 said:
There are a lot more statutes that need their wording changed, I imagine something which is effectively semantic is not a priority. I agree that both are rape and don't quite know why Parliament decided to separate the two offences, but it doesn't ultimately affect the sentencing.

Nope that's fair enough. It was just an inquisitive query really. Not sure why I bothered in a lolkwerk thread but there we go. Oh yeah that reminds me:

"Can't believe people like this own guns"

- GP

smelly_legend · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:10

What about prisons where men get bummed?

Von Smallhausen · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:12

Kwerk is being well fed here.

robgmun · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:15

Von Smallhausen said:
Kwerk is being well fed here.

Because despite who the OP is, it can be an interesting subject/debate

anything I don't mind · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:21

Most gay rape will be done by drugging as they are more likely to be able to defend themselves and thus they probably don't realize or if they do don't report it.

Von Smallhausen · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:21

Indeed, but I remain cautious rob.

TommyV · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:23

Happy to say I am in before the lock.

Woden · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:40

groen said:
Most gay rape will be done by drugging as they are more likely to be able to defend themselves and thus they probably don't realize or if they do don't report it.

Dont report I can understand and believe but .... don't realise? :confused:

elmarko · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:42

Most rape victims are in a relationship or have been in a relationship with the rapist - it's only about 4% (US study) which is by strangers.

So most men who are raped are gay men & by gay men (as they would be the partners in the relationship).

TrixiBuG · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:42

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-21713843
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-21889200

These were in the local news not so long ago. Its interesting as when these attacks happen they never mention the sexual orientation of the victim

I can say this as it was in the news at the time, but I have a close friend who was raped a few years ago, after he got into an unmarked taxi when he was drunk and trying to get home after a night out.

My friend lived in a block of flats in Salford Quays which has a security gate surrounding the car park. You have to get into the car park to get into the flats themselves. My friend - being drunk and unaware - buzzed the taxi through the gates and into the car park area, paid the taxi driver and got out to go to the doors of the flats. The driver followed him, pushed him into the stair well (inside the entrance doors) and attacked him there

My friend is gay, but the taxi driver (who they found) wasn't...in fact he had/has a wife and 2 kids. Unfortunately the CPS couldn't bring a case against the man as he was in the country illegally (or similar, I don't quite remember)

This whole subject makes my skin crawl *shudders*

Tefal · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:55

kwerk said:
Do the victims just not report them?

the report rates are vastly lower yes, mainly because male victims do not receive the same kind of support as female victims and often get looked down on etc after if they come out about it.

Burnsy2023 · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:55

~Dockie said:
I agree entirely. I dont know if the sentences are the same for rape vs sexual assault, but it seems pretty one sided against the man.

Rape by a woman would come under s2:

2Assault by penetration

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina or anus of another person (B) with a part of his body or anything else,
(b)the penetration is sexual,
(c)B does not consent to the penetration, and
(d)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3)Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.
(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

The sentencing guidelines are exactly the same for this as for rape.

elmarko said:
Most rape victims are in a relationship or have been in a relationship with the rapist - it's only about 4% (US study) which is by strangers.

So most men who are raped are gay men & by gay men (as they would be the partners in the relationship).

Indeed. Stranger rape is very rare and like you said, most are either in a relationship or by someone known to them.

Burnsy2023 · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:57

Tefal said:
the report rates are vastly lower yes, mainly because male victims do not receive the same kind of support as female victims and often get looked down on etc after if they come out about it.

I think this is probably the biggest reason why male rape is not reported. Many people find it difficult to be openly gay, let alone go to court, in public and tell the world they were raped.

Tefal · 15 Apr 2013 at 17:57

GhostlyPea said:
That's fair enough, sort of what I was expecting the general response would be. Seems the wording needs updating IMO. A woman could quite conceivably force a man to penetrate her which is still rape really, but it doesn't fit in with the legislative wording

- GP

iirc though sexual assault and rape both carry the same maximum sentence so they can be equally punished even if it's not under the same name

Woden · 15 Apr 2013 at 18:03

Now I am not suggesting raping a woman is worse than a man, or a gay man or whatever. They are all equally disgusting crimes, but...

It would be interesting to see how many male rape victims are gay and how many rapists that target men are straight. Purely from a psychomological slant.

Addicted · 15 Apr 2013 at 18:05

How is this guy not banned yet?

The quality of his troll posts is beyond poor.