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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022
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Lol don't hate the messenger, you could have known who tcl is much quicker if you just googled it instead of asking me
Yes we do we always need faster hardware, always
But I can understand why they may not launch pro machines. Pro machines will cost more and they will be hard to sell when the global recession hits at the end of this year.
And we can already see other companies changing their design and pricing because of the weakening global financial situation- the recently shown off AM5 x670e motherboards paint a very clear picture. Most recently with am4 and z690 we saw motherboards with rrp close to $1000 but with am5 and x670e manufacture have toned down their designs, removed and X pensive gimmicks and cut down cost and these boards are now at $500 instead of $800/900/1000 etc. this is not a random occurrence we saw it on all manufacturers they are all cutting down on their designs and lowering prices because you won't be able to sell a $800 motherboard in a recession just like Sony and MS won't be able to sell a $800 console in a recession
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I reject the rule of thumb claim that AAA games with good graphics have crap gameplay and games with older graphics have better gameplay and design.
Yes there are some games with good graphics that are bad, but that's not new there have always been those games every year.
And I have a very recent example that disproves the claim:
I just finished spending 300 hours playing the highly addicted Elden Ring, a AAA masterpiece with excellent gameplay and graphics. And I just started playing Diablo Immortal, a game with old graphics and absolutely garbage gameplay and design that has earned it a 0.8 out of 10 aggregate user score .
Yes there are some games with good graphics that are bad, but that's not new there have always been those games every year.
And I have a very recent example that disproves the claim:
I just finished spending 300 hours playing the highly addicted Elden Ring, a AAA masterpiece with excellent gameplay and graphics. And I just started playing Diablo Immortal, a game with old graphics and absolutely garbage gameplay and design that has earned it a 0.8 out of 10 aggregate user score .
No because the slide does not specify at what wattage the measurement was taken so you can't assume because perf/watt is not a flat line it's a curve
That's got me too. AMD says it's using MCM chipsets, when you look at the diagram it's memory chips sitting on the die
But guess what, that's exactly what HBM is, so by AMDs definition of this, AMD was already making chiplet MCM GPUs years ago with the Fury
AMD says because Nvidia is pushing higher and higher power limits, they have to follow or get left behind. In a world where it's becoming harder to get more performance, yet the demand for performance is growing, something has to give and that's power. AMD says it has better efficiency than Nvidia but the extra efficiency of RDNA3 is not enough to avoid increasing power draw to keep up or even beat Nvidia performance, however Nvidia has to push power more than us.
wccftech.com
My take on deciphering what AMD says here: RDNA3 GPUs will consume more power than RDNA2 GPUs, but they will consume less than RTX4000 GPUs. No actual wattages were given so we have a pretty big range to guess with - for example the RTX4090 is rumoured to now be 450w, so that would mean the 7900xt can be anywhere between 310w and 440w
AMD Radeon RX 7000 Graphics Cards With RDNA 3 GPUs Confirmed To Feature Higher Power Consumption
AMD has confirmed that its next-gen RDNA 3 GPU lineup within the Radeon RX 7000 graphics cards will be more power hungry than RDNA 2.
wccftech.com
My take on deciphering what AMD says here: RDNA3 GPUs will consume more power than RDNA2 GPUs, but they will consume less than RTX4000 GPUs. No actual wattages were given so we have a pretty big range to guess with - for example the RTX4090 is rumoured to now be 450w, so that would mean the 7900xt can be anywhere between 310w and 440w
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Good thing consumers have choices, AmD will still sell 65w CPUs and 200w GPUs so you're more than welcome to buy that rather than the 170w CPU and 450w GPU
AMD's Senior Vice President of Engineering at Radeon Technologies Group, David Wang, has confirmed some new details about RX7000 RDNA3 GPUs
* Still using a hybrid core design that can do Rasterisation and Ray Tracing, no FFU.
* Ray Tracing performance is improved over RDNA2
* Faster clock speeds than RDNA2
* RDNA3 supports AV1 codecs
* RDNA3 GPUs have DisplayPort 2.0 ports
* Still using a hybrid core design that can do Rasterisation and Ray Tracing, no FFU.
* Ray Tracing performance is improved over RDNA2
* Faster clock speeds than RDNA2
* RDNA3 supports AV1 codecs
* RDNA3 GPUs have DisplayPort 2.0 ports
Will you be buying AMD though Grim?
No why would I. What a random question; just because I'm posting news about a product doesn't mean I'm planning to buy said product.
I'm sure I've told you guys before but all the screens I use for gaming in my house don't support Freesync so there is no chance I'll buy an AMD GPU until I've replaced all my monitors and TV
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So both AD102 and Navi31 seems to be having 96 MB L2/L3 cache and 384 bit Memory Interface. Will be interesting comparison.
It's been estimated Intel has already spent $3.5billion for its desktop Arc GPUs even though it's basically sold nothing yet
They would need to sell at least 10 million GPUs at $350 a pop just to recover from existing sunk costs
He also forgot about transistors; you can't just say that one 200m2 pice of silicon is worth the same as another 200m2 piece of silicon, not only can they do totally different products in different markets, you have different development costs and even if remove all those factors the number of transistors on each silicon can vary , so yields can vary and therefore cost to build does vary.
I'd think that much of the current prices is market related even though there are many factors at play; zen3 CPUs are pricey because they can be - they are still selling even at inflated prices so why lower them where as amd has a harder time moving GPUs so they need a lower price
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RDNA 3 is looking efficient. it only has 2x 8 pin power cables indicating TDP between 300 and 350, probably closer to 350w given the size of the amd triple fan cooler has increased (the heatsink is larger)
It's interesting that amd has reworked the memory configuration, they've lowered L3 gamecache size compared to what rdna2 has and it's probably because they are getting extra bandwidth from faster vram modules
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According to latest MLID video just released, AMD does not think it can compete with the 4090, but RDNA3 will be cheaper. Previously AMD thought it might even beat the 4090 or whatever Nvidia would release based on how much performance it estimated Nvidia would achieve but Lovelace and the RTX4090 has ended up faster than AMD anticipated
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Yep, there is no way the 3090ti beats the 6900xt or 6950xt in AC Valhalla, it's well established that game heavily favours AMD GPUs - Im surprised Nvidia included it in their benchmarks since they knew it would make them look bad.
From what I can tell only the 16gb rtx4080 is matching the 6950xt's performance in that game, which is not good for Nvidia but that's still like 20 or 30% faster thanbthe 3090ti
From what I can tell only the 16gb rtx4080 is matching the 6950xt's performance in that game, which is not good for Nvidia but that's still like 20 or 30% faster thanbthe 3090ti
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