RE: Has MS overstepping the mark with Vista licensing?

Windows x64 for me :p

Don't see the whole "awesome-ness" that seems to be tagged to DX10, and also the whole "aero" aka "aqua" interface is too OS X for me to consider or even take seriously
 
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EVH said:
Windows x64 for me :p

Don't see the whole "awesome-ness" that seems to be tagged to DX10, and also the whole "aero" aka "aqua" interface is too OS X for me to consider or even take seriously
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Agreed, DX10 just seems to be overhyped garbage, give it a year or two for actual games to be written for it, then I will start worrying
 
Seems like MS is too busy nailing down the flags with its WPA, and general nastiness with Virtualisation and Licensing to actually fix the flaws in its software.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/24/vista_kernel_fix_controversy/

Yes, MS has totally lost the plot. Kernel protection has been defeated, and a bodge fix applied. I can almost imagine a scenerio where a black hat conceals an exploit they have discovered and release it on day-zero of Vista's release. Maybe even more than one. I can see 2007 being a very bad year for MS. Perhaps its time to sell those shares.
 
VeNT said:
tbh, I'd NEVER install a V1 of any windows. classicaly its been SP3-4 that sorts out most of the bugs, XP seems ok with SP2, will vista be any good at SP0/1? doubt it.
I love windows, without it we wouldn't have the IT world we have today. but I hate being forced to update to a platform that I am unsure of.
I for one will be doing everything I can to get DX10 to work on windows XP (only started using windows XP as my main OS this week).
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let me know when u get it to work! :p
 
Hmm Ubuntu seems to be ok to me :D

I be honest I only use windows to read email (any email reader will do), surf the web (again any internet browser), play BF2/2142 (windows xp 32bit here).

My interests/developments are better supported on linux, so that pretty much means I'll probably not upgrade XP for a considerable time yet.
 
EVH said:
Don't see the whole "awesome-ness" that seems to be tagged to DX10, and also the whole "aero" aka "aqua" interface is too OS X for me to consider or even take seriously
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Woah woah woooah...

Don't you dare even think about associating the gorgeous, intuitive OS X interface with that diabolical attempt at eye candy seen in Windows Vista. What on earth is the point in 3D window visualisations and surrounding each window with a huge "glass" border which serves no purpose and looks awful at the same time? I'd take OS X, Exposé and window drop-shadows over the Windows GUI anyday!

I'm still struggling to comprehend why I would want to "upgrade" to Windows Vista, especially now that I'm an OS X user. I don't need improved security, I don't need the latest games and most of all I don't want that atrocious excuse for a GUI...

*av
 
On a side issue, a certain tarzanesque website is trying to peddle Virtual PC 2004 for $110. They have reduced the price by $10. You gotta laugh at that. Especially when all the review are screaming "ITS FREE"
 
Vai said:
People always say this, it was said back when XP was released, yet I bet 99% of people reading this thread are now on XP ;)
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Fair point, especially where win2kpro was concerned there used to be a lot of stubborn people who professed that win2k was better, simpler, faster. Yet the vast, vast majority of people I've come across over the past couple of years are running WinXP now. They've got swept along in the tide now that it's no longer cool to be using an Older version of windows :)

To be fair I was one of those who preferred DOS over Win3.11, and Win95b over Win98 (initially).

Personally I think WinXP is the first version of windows which has very few major flaws and there isn't a desperate urge to move onto a new version. For me, even win2kpro wasn't without it's faults and I usually ended up having to format at least every 6 months.

In the corporate environment especially, I'm somewhat skeptical at the reception Vista will receive. The large installed base of win2k/winxp/2003 will likely be somewhat reluctant to move swiftly to what seems to be an OS targeted largely at the home audience (more so even than the hybrid, winxp).
 
HangTime said:
Personally I think WinXP is the first version of windows which has very few major flaws and there isn't a desperate urge to move onto a new version. For me, even win2kpro wasn't without it's faults and I usually ended up having to format at least every 6 months.
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Have to agree. Xp is a very tolerant OS. It copes pretty well with little maintenance to speak off and I rarely (if ever) get a BSOD.....(and yes, I have turned off reboot on error). ;)
 
HangTime said:
In the corporate environment especially, I'm somewhat skeptical at the reception Vista will receive. The large installed base of win2k/winxp/2003 will likely be somewhat reluctant to move swiftly to what seems to be an OS targeted largely at the home audience (more so even than the hybrid, winxp).
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I think this dpends quite a lot on what features are implemented in Server 2007, this will basically show if it worth an upgrade or not.

Burnsy
 
There are two very viable and sustainable alternatives:

1) Go Linux! - Now, I'm not saying linux is without its downfalls. Trying to achieve what you can in a windows environment on a linux box is damn near impossible! However, linux is now maturing into a more user friendly O/S, Lindows (now linspire) and Ubuntu are just two examples of how easy migration could be.

2) Go Mac! - Same as linux, and at least you know that its all going to work out of the box (despite the heafty price tag :().

The TransGaming guys have already made tremendous steps making popular games available to both Linux and Mac users and I'm sure (read: hoping) that DX10 will be cracked too!
 
Freakish_05 said:
There are two very viable and sustainable alternatives:

1) Go Linux! - Now, I'm not saying linux is without its downfalls. Trying to achieve what you can in a windows environment on a linux box is damn near impossible! However, linux is now maturing into a more user friendly O/S, Lindows (now linspire) and Ubuntu are just two examples of how easy migration could be.

2) Go Mac! - Same as linux, and at least you know that its all going to work out of the box (despite the heafty price tag :().

The TransGaming guys have already made tremendous steps making popular games available to both Linux and Mac users and I'm sure (read: hoping) that DX10 will be cracked too!
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In the situation where these licencing terms are a problem i.e. gamers who regulaly need upgrades, both just don't have the compatibility and won't in the near future. Even in the long term, if DX10 is avaliable to somehow be ported to a *nix based platform, it will be infringing on all sorts of copyrights and patents. Until large game developers code for multi platforms, both are just not an option for serious gamers.

As for the corporate environment? Don't get me started.

Burnsy
 
burnsy2023 said:
In the situation where these licencing terms are a problem i.e. gamers who regulaly need upgrades, both just don't have the compatibility and won't in the near future. Even in the long term, if DX10 is avaliable to somehow be ported to a *nix based platform, it will be infringing on all sorts of copyrights and patents. Until large game developers code for multi platforms, both are just not an option for serious gamers.

As for the corporate environment? Don't get me started.

Burnsy
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Upgrading a Mac system, granted, not going to happen in the near future. But with linux is (almost) as easy as with windows. Please note that I am speaking from a Gentoo point of view.
As for infringing on copyrights and patents, this is incorrect. If you read some of the technical info on the transgaming website, it says that it maps Direct X processes to the equivilent Linux API's. Therefore no copyrights/patents are being infringed.
 
Freakish_05 said:
There are two very viable and sustainable alternatives:

1) Go Linux! - Now, I'm not saying linux is without its downfalls. Trying to achieve what you can in a windows environment on a linux box is damn near impossible! However, linux is now maturing into a more user friendly O/S, Lindows (now linspire) and Ubuntu are just two examples of how easy migration could be.

2) Go Mac! - Same as linux, and at least you know that its all going to work out of the box (despite the heafty price tag :().

The TransGaming guys have already made tremendous steps making popular games available to both Linux and Mac users and I'm sure (read: hoping) that DX10 will be cracked too!
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Ubuntu is still a PITA compared to Windows. When you don't have to piddle about editing text files just to change your screen resolution or refresh rate, something Windows has allowed since Windows 95, we'll be getting somewhere.
 
to me that read, vista works as it does cos only tiny groups of people actually make full use of the PC and its upgradeability, discrimination i say :p

and wont removal of VLK cause havoc when people enforce their right to have a copy of windows that they are entitled to through work, due to its requirement to work effectively out of office hours, or will this license basically no longer exist?
 
.:MBK:. said:
and wont removal of VLK cause havoc when people enforce their right to have a copy of windows that they are entitled to through work, due to its requirement to work effectively out of office hours, or will this license basically no longer exist?
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The Volume Licensing Agreements won't be affected, just how it's implemented. I.e you'll get a product code from your IT Dept.

Burnsy
 
Buffalo2102 said:
Here's an interesting article about Vista licencing that should put a few peoples' minds at rest.

Vista Licencing

There again, probably not...
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I don't trust much of what is said in that article, especially when he talkes about XP licensing.

Take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

Burnsy
 
burnsy2023 said:
The Volume Licensing Agreements won't be affected, just how it's implemented. I.e you'll get a product code from your IT Dept.

Burnsy
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ah ok, so just more long winded, my old supervisor aint gonna be happy :rolleyes:
 
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