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I just watched that episode of Horizon on BBC1. Wow what a complete and utter load of BS Reality is a mathematical equation.... etc etc...

A guy writing all over some windows, "i don't need to see what is out there, this load of crap ive scrawled on the glass explains it all."

I am scientifically educated but when it comes to this theoretical mathematics BS that is more akin to philosophy it really winds me up.
 
Efour2 said:
I am scientifically educated but when it comes to this theoretical mathematics BS that is more akin to philosophy it really winds me up.
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You've lost me here. Mathematics is theoretical, and a particularly appropriate language to write philosophy in. Both fields use deductive reasoning and very carefully defined axioms. What practical mathematics is it that you're fond of?

There's a strong argument that large areas of mathematics seem to be inapplicable to reality, but it doesn't follow that we'll never find a use for it. Complex numbers were ridiculed by practical types for a long time, but we'd be thoroughly lost without them today.
 
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You've lost me here. Mathematics is theoretical, and a particularly appropriate language to write philosophy in. Both fields use deductive reasoning and very carefully defined axioms. What practical mathematics is it that you're fond of?

There's a strong argument that large areas of mathematics seem to be inapplicable to reality, but it doesn't follow that we'll never find a use for it. Complex numbers were ridiculed by practical types for a long time, but we'd be thoroughly lost without them today.
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To intentionally derail the nonsense of the the OP, can you tell us more about complex numbers? That actually sounds interesting (as opposed to the OP).
 
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It would be very nice indeed if the universe can be explained in mathematical terms. I suspect this to be hopelessly optimistic, but the model will improve with time until we come up with something better.

The OP is the scribblings of a retard though.
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They ARE coming up with something better and it's all about the underlying information (maths) of systems. Read the article I linked about entropic gravity. Then tell the 140+ physicists (including Leonard Susskind) who have cited the paper the article is about that it's hopelessly optimistic rubbish and they are wasting their time.

http://arxiv.org/cits/1001.0785
 
kwerk said:
So our eyes can detect light, and our ears can detect sound waves, our skin detects temperature and density and stuff.

I've been reading up on entropy and information theory and it occurred to me that our MIND is just another sensory organ that can detect MATHS. You know how stuff is radiating heat and light, it's also radiating maths in a way. There is an underlying mathematical system to the universe.

So computers are like telescopes, letting us get a "closer look" at complex maths. Maybe one day humans will evolve to a point where we see maths like we see light now, instinctively.
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Sweet jeezuz .... what a friggin' post :eek: I've posted stuff when I've been blind drunk (a bit like I am now) but as Sinead oConner once said .... Nothing compares ......

End off.

Skuze the typos folks :D

Al :D
 
I'm poorly placed to describe them as a lowly engineer. The idea is to define an additional number which follows the usual rules of algebra but has the additional property that when multiplied by itself you get -1. I believe it was introduced to find the roots of quadratic equations previously considered insoluble, however they have since turned up all over the place. The idea was widely ridiculed as being a "made up" number, which overlooks the issue that all the others are also "made up" numbers in much the same sense. Occasionally the solution to a problem is most cleanly expressed in terms of complex numbers, other times the solution to a problem starts off with real numbers, and ends with a real number, but passes through complex numbers en route.

I'm partway through a book by Penrose which I would certainly recommend, though much of it is beyond me his love of physics is infectious.

I'm fairly confident that professional physicists would agree with me that it is optimistic to believe that the universe obeys mathematical laws. They are developing a framework which models (or describes) reality with varying success. The idea that the universe itself behaves as we tell it to is fairly insane.

edit: Oh damn it, curiosity is going to lead to reading the linked article :(

edit2: Linked article was indeed a waste of time. Yes, there are properly referenced formulae in there, and yes they are combined reasonably. There are a lot of required assumptions which are not stated, there is no apparent conclusion, and the author is pleased by two numbers being close to each other when they're two orders of magnitude apart. It is thoroughly ridiculous to conclude based on this brief paper that the universe is mathematical in nature, so I'm back to my original statement.

Your opening post looks to be the scribblings of a retard. Congratulations for trying to further your knowledge of the universe, but perhaps you're starting off too high. Statistical quantum mechanics isn't all that easy to follow.
 
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Aliboy said:
Sweet jeezuz .... what a friggin' post :eek: I've posted stuff when I've been blind drunk (a bit like I am now) but as Sinead oConner once said .... Nothing compares ......

End off.

Skuze the typos folks :D

Al :D
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What's wrong with what I said?

Is the universe not made up of 1s and 0s? Even at the most basic quantum level a particle is either spinning up or it's spinning down. 1 or 0 (or 1 and 0).

You can take that up to microstates, then macrostate and the whole universe. It's what causes the effects of gravity/temperature/electromagnetism. There is an underlying maths.

They have slowed the speed of light down to 6 miles per hour sending it through a bose-einstein condensate (matter near absolute zero i.e. no entropy, slowed down using lasers) and have it come out with no loss of information. Srsly if they figure out this entropic flow of bits and how to manipulate it with meta materials or a massive bose-einstein condensate shield or something we could be looking at anti-gravity, invisibility, time dilation, etc.

What I'm saying is the next level of human evolution could be an instinctual understanding of this underlying information that makes everything tick.
 
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