Stabbing isn't attempted murder. The police had no right to suspect him of attempted murder until they'd established that he wasn't acting in self defence. Given that his son was there already beaten, the damage to his van and the fact there were five known troublemakers there, including the victim, there was no reason to suspect attempted murder. Mr Philpott's arrest was just an easy one to take the police one closer to their target for the month.
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Stabbing isn't attempted murder. The police had no right to suspect him of attempted murder until they'd established that he wasn't acting in self defence. Given that his son was there already beaten, the damage to his van and the fact there were five known troublemakers there, including the victim, there was no reason to suspect attempted murder. Mr Philpott's arrest was just an easy one to take the police one closer to their target for the month.
how? i am saying it is the main reason for some, but only a small amount of people imo.
where as what you said was a blanket 'its for defence only' statement
no, its not immediately attempted murder, but a man is at a scene who has stabbed someone 5 times. the police need to find out why.
this is just to raise numbers of arrests? dont be silly :/
Imagine it was your son getting the crap beaten out of him, and then the police come and arrest you on suspicion of attempted murder.
Doesnt matter what it was he had. It is still classed as a weapon. Carrying a bottle of water (whatever its made of) down the street to drink out of becomes a weapon as soon as you use it as such e.g. raise it above your head to strike (or threaten to strike) someone or throw it etc etc.
Please tell us what should have happened then?
Judging by the fact the police prosecuted someone for murder for shooting someone who broke into his house carrying an uzi I wouldn't hold my breath, it's madness this country.
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Police arrest, gather evidence and hand it to the CPS for a decision in cases like this.
They cannot, under any circumstances, make a decision on the street and use discression where someone has been stabbed.
Again, the CPS make that decision and not the police.
Given I would be stressed out by the situation then I would probably be annoyed and upset....
Should the police stop doing their job correctly because ppl get upset ??
If you read other papers then the man has no complaints about the police and understood why he was arrested
He's not just a man though is he? He's the homeowner who was defending himself and his son. This could, and should have been established fairly quickly at the crime scene.
Rubbish. It would not be established quickly at all. it needs a proper investigation rather than heat of the moment questioning and making of decisions.
Given I would be stressed out by the situation then I would probably be annoyed and upset....
Should the police stop doing their job correctly because ppl get upset ??
If you read other papers then the man has no complaints about the police and understood why he was arrested
It's not the police's job to arrest people for defending themselves and their family against thugs.
It astounds me that you have so much difficulty in understanding this... I even spelled it out in numbered stages a few posts up explaining it and you still dont get it... Is it stubborness to admit you are incorrect or do you truthfully beleive that he was wrongly arrested ??
Why would it not?
This whole case against Mr Philpotts has just been a colossal waste of everybody's time. The police, the CPS, and indeed Mr Philpotts and his family - totally un-necessary waste of taxpayer's money.
Which case is that?
Mebbe this might work -
Self-defence is only a valid argument in court. Its enshrined in law under "Special Defences" and includes -
Alibi
Self Defence
Incrimination (some other named person did it)
Insanity at time of offence
Any plea of "self defence" is considered by the CPS and court, not by the police.
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His son was on the floor being kicked in the head and body by 5 people, you are(or at least should be) reasonably allowed to defend others aswell as yourself. I'm fairly sure you are, and as long as he did grab the FIRST thing he saw and didn't purposefully go and grab a knife(which tbh, who would go for a small often not sharp letter opener over a stonking kitchen knife if that was his intent.
As far as he knew, his son was being murdered, he grabbed something on the way and went out to save his son, if he gets done, well, it will depend entirely on how the stabbings occured, pattern, depth. If he stabbed a guy and he didn't go down and came at him again, repeated stabbings are not an issue. If its proven he stabbed him once, the guy was backing away and he got him again, the stabbed him 3 more times when the guy was on the floor, that is excessive but in the heat of the moment you think maybe this guy killed your son and came at you also and threatened to kill your wife, maybe its understandable.
I mean, he could have grabbed a bat and just as easily hurt/killed one of those guys, how many people would run out to defend a family member against 5 attackers(who at this point you might assume are armed) without any kind of weapon yourselves?
Yeah well.... Gonna leave it now. Its evident that, even given the opinion and advice of ppl who actually work as police officers (Smallhausen et el), he still think he knows the job better....