Reccomended 4x4s

Slime101 said:
I think you dont have a clue.
First. I'm growing more and more tired of this forum's latest "You are either with us or STFU" trend. If you don't agree, discuss, show me I'm wrong or yob off. After "don't have a clue" thrown in discourse I feel like you gonna spit your beef jerky on my trainers next.

Yes some leak (only defenders tho) and there are the odd reliability issues but just look at what's in south africa, or any 3rd world country - youll find landrovers everywhere old and new...the reason, they work forever, they do anything anywhere and they are ultimately reliable.


Disco3 is half a ton heavier than heaviest Pathfinder and 100 kilo heavier than the heaviest Land Crusier Amazon. They are cool and flashy, but that kind of economy/weight/price ratio just doesn't work in all terrain class.

Land Rovers in unhabited terrains and 3rd world countries is a picture that ended 20 years ago. From Australia to Iceland, it's Toyotas now.
 
v0n said:
First. I'm growing more and more tired of this forum's latest "You are either with us or STFU" trend. If you don't agree, discuss, show me I'm wrong or yob off. After "don't have a clue" thrown in discourse I feel like you gonna spit your beef jerky on my trainers next.

he did discuss, he followed his statement with his points to back it up.
 
Slime101 said:
I think you dont have a clue.

They are not "heavy" or "thirsty" - take a proper look at a Discovery 3, streets ahead of anything else in its class without a doubt. Yes LR's are expensive, but thats what you pay for ultimate mechanical prowess, the drive train, 4x4 system, gearboxes, diffs etc are miles better than any other make, especially the jap stuff.

Yes some leak (only defenders tho) and there are the odd reliability issues but just look at what's in south africa, or any 3rd world country - youll find landrovers everywhere old and new...the reason, they work forever, they do anything anywhere and they are ultimately reliable.

And yes, i do know what i'm on about with 4x4's, in fact i take delivery of my new baby (its a landrover!) on thursday :D

you are incorrect. you are talking utter garbage.

in oz and SA, landrover's market share is marginal because all their products are dross.

land cruiser came along and killed land rover in both oz and SA. if you speak to anyone from over there they will tell you that land rovers are only owned by 'eccentrics'
 
Matt82 said:
you are incorrect. you are talking utter garbage.

in oz and SA, landrover's market share is marginal because all their products are dross.

land cruiser came along and killed land rover in both oz and SA. if you speak to anyone from over there they will tell you that land rovers are only owned by 'eccentrics'

I didnt mention OZ - i know that Landcruzers are all the rage, but you still find a lot of landies. You will find i am correct about SA though, it is still landy territory without a doubt.

If LR's are only owned by eccentrics over there then practically the whole country is eccentric :p
 
Hehe, its turning "our low gear is bigger than yours" thread.

South Africans then, do they mass buy Range Rovers or Discovery 3?

Or is it their home made Defenders?

Look, it's no brainer really - everyone buys Toyotas for hard terrains because they are bullet proof and cost effective. Which Landies aren't for many years now. The reason why Mitsubishi and Nissan took over niche markets - suburban assault and such - is because they are again cheaper to buy and run and genuinly fault free. Open your eyes, you'll see it everywhere, UK included. Disco 3 is perhaps fantastic off roader but at current prices I can't imagine there are too many volunteers to actually toss that 40k worth of leather, wood and British quality electronics between mud and bushes.
 
This thread is hardly about the ultimate vehicle to drive single handed around the world... it's about someone who doesn't have any 4x4 experience and finds she needs to drive up some muddy roads. For me this sounds like Subaru Forester or Rav4 territory (if 4x4 is even needed!).

On the assumption she hasn't just won the lottery I expect a Range Rover or Discovery 3 is unlikely to fit the bill!
 
Ok to stop all this arguments about what there are more of, Range rovers or Landcruisers in Australia ill tell u what i see more of because i come from there and live there and im here as i type.
I see more.......................................................................................................................................................................................

LandCrusers. But there are also a hell of a a lot of Nissan patrols, maybe not as many landcruisers but there are a fair few going around.

If she just wants a car to go through mud and not go im huige steep slippery rocky god forbidden hill and terrain i think she would want a Subaru forester.
Reasons are, The have enough power to get through the mud, they are 4x4, they can go a lot of places even though they are small, they a cheaper to run, they are really good for driving on the road aswell and they are one of the safest cars in the world

Edit: I felt like being creative so i added the arrow :D
 
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Buttons said:
I have a Nissan X-Trail and can't fault it both on roads/motorways and in situations that whilst not hardcore off-road, certainly a problem for most cars i.e. the farm roads and lanes you mentioned.

It's absolutely massive inside and incredibly comfortable. It is significantly bigger than a RAV4 regardless of what specs/dealers might say. I've spent a deal of time in a RAV4 and you generally need the back seats down for a big load, certainly would for a bale or two of hay).

It's fuel economy is pretty good, especially with the diesel (although I've got the 2.5 petrol which only gets 30mpg) and it's pretty fun too, never feels like it's going to tip over.

I have an X-Trail as well. The 2.2 diesel SVE. I've not had any problem with it at all, nothing.
I've owned cars since 1977, some cheap bangers and as the years rolled on some expensive high specced cars from new, and everyone has developed a fault at sometime. This is the first car that hasn't been a problem.

My car before last was a Freelander, excellent car, apart from the problems, such as new gearbox needed on a car less than six months old, and even more annoying at the time, the alarm activating in the middle of nowhere on the moors (yes it was used off road) so the car wouldn't start. The recovery people took ages to find us. Other bits went wrong as well.
That went and we got a series II Disco, and that was brilliant, still had a couple of problems but was prepared to put up with them. I was hoping to get the Series 3 until they came out and the prices seemed to have shot up :( so it was back to something smaller.

I was asked for over £200 to have fitted in the new face lifted Freeelander a rear ashtray that wasn't needed, but did need the 12v socket that came with it, was.
It used to be standard in the older model but was now an optional extra!! :mad: £200 for and ashtray and socket :rolleyes: BTW the wiring was already there for the 12v line, so it was a case of unclipping a plastic panel and refitting the new module, ashtray and socket, which would have taken a monkey all of 10 seconds to do. This was on a HSE model, top of the range, and the salesman would not give it as part of the deal, so i walked out, his and landrovers loss.

I then went to Nissan and looked at the X-Trail SVE. It was better specced, better safety with more airbags, all leather, better fuel economy by nearly 10mpg, a bit quicker top end, bigger boot, rear reclining seats, more storeage the list could go on, so my money went japanese instead of english.

There's a new Freelander due out the end of this year, and i'll see what thats like as my X-Trail wil be three years old in May 07 and i'll be changing then, but at the moment it'll be another X-Trail, but if my numbers come up it'll be straight back to landrover for a Disco 3, that comes standard with more 12v sockets :D
 
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