Recommend a liquid CPU cooler..

[Helios1234]

What?

 

[REAPERUK]

What?

oh yea while we are on mb temps , why is there a fan on the south bridge on the x79 mb's if there is no relevant or emphasis.

 

[olivier renault]

mmm now i understand your a hardware reviewer lol, Bigger coolers = hotter mb temps simple, thats why your taking taking the mb temps to heart so much, your reviews may not cover all cases and there most done on a bench,if mb temps are not a big one why say relevant or emphasis.

point is the less the size of the heatsink on the mb the cooler the board i.e flow over the mb, simple logic wins there over mass testing there, but that is easy done.

Is it now. I thought it was the opposite. HSF airflow cooling motherboard components better than water loops.

TBH, I never really had any complains about my H50. It did have a Apache fan on it though, but it cooled an overclocked 1055T well enough, and my rig was a lot quieter than my new setup. The reported motherboard temps were high I thought, but had no issues anyway.

 

[REAPERUK]

Is it now. I thought it was the opposite. HSF airflow cooling motherboard components better than water loops.

TBH, I never really had any complains about my H50. It did have a Apache fan on it though, but it cooled an overclocked 1055T well enough, and my rig was a lot quieter than my new setup. The reported motherboard temps were high I thought, but had no issues anyway.

you do have to reconfigure the fans/airflow ect once you swap the HSF when going closed loop,took me around a week to get it right in the current case only due to have a few hdd's which can be a pain

 

[Helios1234]

oh yea while we are on mb temps , why is there a fan on the south bridge on the x79 mb's if there is no relevant or emphasis.

I still can't really make out what you're trying to say. I'd like to see your research into why you think bigger coolers = worse motherboard temperatures. Let's take an example; the Noctua NH-C14 is a top-down cooler marketed to cool the CPU as well as the area surrounding it including the motherboard and the Northbridge and yet when I compare the latter temperatures to an NH-D14, the difference is very small:

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/noctua_nh_c14_cpu_cooler_review,10.html

You can see there that motherboard temperatures hardly change at all and although NB temperatures are slightly improved, the absolute temperatures are still perfectly under control. The gains in CPU cooling from the NH-D14 offsets the few C difference in NB temps. By your logic, we should all be using the stock cooler because it's small...

My point still stands though and if anything, tower heatsinks help direct airflow within the case whereas using an ALC unit creates a dead zone in larger cases meaning the chipset doesn't get cooled as effectively.

As for X79 SB fans, I can't really comment because I've never used it but given that a lot of boards don't actually have those fans, I could argue they are simply gimmicks. Anyway, they are located too far down to be directly affected by CPU coolers so I fail to see why you think having an air cooler will lead to higher SB temperatures.

 

[Jay794]

After having my Corsair H100 in for only 2 days I have to say, if it will fit your case, BUY IT! idle temps dropped by 10c, running idle at 21c now, Burn test on Maximum temps only rose to 56c.

Anyone who says the H100 is loud either hasn't screwed the fans down tight enough or has super sensitive hearing lol, it's not loud at all

H100 gets my vote everytime, even with stock fans its awesome

 

[REAPERUK]

owning quiet allot of systems over the years in real world scenario's not the test bench is my research, not sure how you can not grasp the situation unless you have a hell of allot to learn.

I still can't really make out what you're trying to say. I'd like to see your research into why you think bigger coolers = worse motherboard temperatures. Let's take an example; the Noctua NH-C14 is a top-down cooler marketed to cool the CPU as well as the area surrounding it including the motherboard and the Northbridge and yet when I compare the latter temperatures to an NH-D14, the difference is very small:

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/noctua_nh_c14_cpu_cooler_review,10.html

You can see there that motherboard temperatures hardly change at all and although NB temperatures are slightly improved, the absolute temperatures are still perfectly under control. The gains in CPU cooling from the NH-D14 offsets the few C difference in NB temps. By your logic, we should all be using the stock cooler because it's small...

My point still stands though and if anything, tower heatsinks help direct airflow within the case whereas using an ALC unit creates a dead zone in larger cases meaning the chipset doesn't get cooled as effectively.

As for X79 SB fans, I can't really comment because I've never used it but given that a lot of boards don't actually have those fans, I could argue they are simply gimmicks. Anyway, they are located too far down to be directly affected by CPU coolers so I fail to see why you think having an air cooler will lead to higher SB temperatures.

 

[Helios1234]

owning quiet allot of systems over the years in real world scenario's not the test bench is my research, not sure how you can not grasp the situation unless you have a hell of allot to learn.

What?! I don't use a test bench.. I test within an actual case, how much more real do you want it? Unlike you, I test in controlled conditions, not basing my judgements based on several coolers used across different platforms. I suggest you go back and learn how to conduct scientific experiments...

I've provided my figures, now I suggest you do the same if you want to put up a valid argument.

 

[REAPERUK]

What?! I don't use a test bench.. I test within an actual case, how much more real do you want it? Unlike you, I test in controlled conditions, not basing my judgements based on several coolers used across different platforms. I suggest you go back and learn how to conduct scientific experiments...

I've provided my figures, now I suggest you do the same if you want to put up a valid argument.

lol your in the minority if you think different coolers hardly no difference to mb temps just use Aida64 ect on everyday usage not a one off test.

argument lol Jesus how old are you around 20?

 

[Helios1234]

lol your in the minority if you think different coolers hardly no difference to mb temps just use Aida64 ect on everyday usage not a one off test.

argument lol Jesus how old are you around 20?

Not sure how age is relevant here especially when you're the one seemingly not acting it. One off tests? I regular check my temperatures using CPUID HWmonitor, how about you? Anyway, I'm still not seeing any results to back up your statement. All you're doing is saying I'm wrong...

 

[Defy Belief]

WAR lol.

And as for MB temps mine are probably okay as I have the genesis which has a downward fan also. I feel i've opened a can of worms! All interesting to see everyones point of view though, checking out the H100, gonna see what I can sell to make some more funds..

 

[REAPERUK]

Not sure how age is relevant here especially when you're the one seemingly not acting it. One off tests? I regular check my temperatures using CPUID HWmonitor, how about you? Anyway, I'm still not seeing any results to back up your statement. All you're doing is saying I'm wrong...

acting ityour the one saying mb temps make no difference and making a big thing about it just on that review, just because your results show that it is not the same for everyone you no,
and why do i need to supply i big test as i have nothing to prove to you at all as it is comman knowledge that temps jump adding huge coolers if you have been into computers for a while, anyone can easy test using HW or AIDA64 when swapping heatsinks ect out,also do you do this to everyone that has a view.
also i have a separate screen for temp readings using AIDA64 and taskmanager ect.

 

[Helios1234]

acting ityour the one saying mb temps make no difference and making a big thing about it just on that review, just because your results show that it is not the same for everyone you no,
and why do i need to supply i big test as i have nothing to prove to you at all as it is comman knowledge that temps jump adding huge coolers if you have been into computers for a while, anyone can easy test using HW or AIDA64 when swapping heatsinks ect out,also do you do this to everyone that has a view.
also i have a separate screen for temp readings using AIDA64 and taskmanager ect.

I'm not making a big thing of it, you are though when in reality it's CPU temps that we should be more concerned about... And is it really common knowledge? I know that different motherboards will behave differently but what makes my motherboard different to another one such that using a bigger cooler will adversely affect its temperatures? Having a view is fine, but preaching something as true with no valid proof isn't. That's the whole premise of a debate.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Hi guys, I have a phenom 955BE and currently a Prolimatech Genesis, which is an animal, but it's so big in my case and I just want a cleaner look in my system. Last time I checked liquid CPU cooling seemed to be abit far behind air cooling but I much prefer the look and more open space in the case.

Recommendations? I want something that's decent and is as quiet as possible at stock, i don't wanna be changing fans.. budget of around £70

gtet a silver arrow or DH14.

The self enclosed liquid coolers are gimmicky ****

 

[REAPERUK]

I'm not making a big thing of it, you are though when in reality it's CPU temps that we should be more concerned about... And is it really common knowledge? I know that different motherboards will behave differently but what makes my motherboard different to another one such that using a bigger cooler will adversely affect its temperatures? Having a view is fine, but preaching something as true with no valid proof isn't. That's the whole premise of a debate.

who is preaching i mentioned it once mm i think the dig at reviews got you a tad touchy, no need for valid proof as it is not a one off.

 

[MikeTimbers]

Not wanting to take sides but air cooling generally aids motherboard cooling simply because of side-cooling from the fans on the heatsinks. Water-cooling has long been known to increase motherboard temperatures purely because there is no side-cooling from a water-block.

On the other hand, water-cooling if done properly removes the primary source of heat to the radiator which should then exhaust immediately. This generally results in lower internal case temperatures which can generally mitigate the removal of the side-cooling.

Sometimes my builds have needed extra motherboard cooling, sometimes not. I do not believe there is a hard and fast always-applicable effect.

 

[Jay794]

Not wanting to take sides but air cooling generally aids motherboard cooling simply because of side-cooling from the fans on the heatsinks. Water-cooling has long been known to increase motherboard temperatures purely because there is no side-cooling from a water-block.

Which is why I have a massive 200mm pointed straight at my motherboard

 

[Helios1234]

who is preaching i mentioned it once mm i think the dig at reviews got you a tad touchy, no need for valid proof as it is not a one off.

Yes because you are trying to criticise my results and then suggesting my tests are not indicative of real world testing, so it's in my best interest to defend my work otherwise what's the point of me even doing reviews... no need for valid proof ...