Recommend me OLED TV + Sound System

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Thank you for the kind comments!

The best protection against permanent burn-in is variety in the displayed content, which is exactly what you have done. It is important to note that the cause of burn-in on OLED TVs (Pixels emitting less light as they age) is not the same as the cause on plasma TVs, which is stuck pixels or retention. As long as you don't leave the TV on a static image for long periods of time or watch content with the same overlay very often, your strategy should work on OLED TVs as well as it did on plasma TVs.
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yeah so fifa for example a game which people who play it will regularly play it for a few hours straight every night. has static images all over it. the logos, team names, radar in corner, etc.

same goes for if you have a specific channel you like to watch. let's say you watch a lot of sky sports. the logo will soon become burned in.

varied content is all good and well. but people do tend to have a lot of static content too. plus burn in is only 1 of the issues OLED has you guys are forgetting screen uniformity, etc.

i'll quote my own post "as long as you are aware of the pro's and cons of each tech and oled suits your usage you will be fine.

i ended up buying another screen because of image retention. purely to game on. to save my plasma from it. it's why when i moved house i stuck the plasma in the bedroom and went lcd in both the living rooma and games room."

so just because it suits your usage doesn't mean it suits everybody elses. don't be so quick to call BS when you don't know the full facts. just because you are happy with OLED doesn't mean everyone else will be. which is why i specifically stated so long as you are aware of all the pro's and cons and it suits your usage.

Journey said:
So basically if you watch the same TV channel for 20 hours a day, for a few weeks then you might need to replace your TV, or your eyes which ever fails first? :p
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no you never read it right

"Our previous 20 hours per day burn-in test is still running and the OLED TV already has permanent retention. That test is an extreme case, using patterns with a lot of static content.

Based on your feedback and comments, we have bought 6 LG OLED C7 which will play real, non-altered content. This should give you a better idea on what to expect depending on what you watch on your TV."


so they have done a second test using varied content

Uniformity issues continue to develop on the two TVs displaying live CNN, and this is slightly visible in normal content when looking for it.

The goal of the test is to provide an idea of the usage time of a 2017 OLED TV before burn-in becomes apparent, which will depend on your usage. To do so, we will replicate five different real-world conditions in an accelerated aging test. We will also independently test two different brightness ('OLED Light') settings with the same content to see the impact of this.

Do you guys know if OLED uniformity issues get worse over time? I purchased a B7 and have noticed a warm, vertical band on the right side of my screen. It is only noticeable on grayish colors, some solid colors, and some panning shots. It is quite benign, but I’m worried it will get worse and become prevalent in all conditions.

It shouldn't get worse. This kind of non-uniform color across the screen is unfortunately common for OLEDs


With OLED TVs, the gray uniformity issues are more related to imperfections in the panel itself, independent of pressure-related problems.

  • OLED TVs tend to do quite well with our test, which uses a 50% white (medium gray) image, but they have much worse uniformity with darker colors, which can be an issue. This is why we have added a 5% white (dark gray) image in our gray uniformity test.
Unfortunately, there are no steps that can be taken to improve gray uniformity – it’s entirely down to the panel you get. If you find yourself with uniformity that you cannot live with, you should exchange your TV for a different unit, or even a different model.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
no you never read it right
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Don't tell me I didn't read it correctly, when I clearly did.

"Week 4 (02/22/2018): New uniformity photos have been updated. Uniformity issues are clearly visible on the 200 nits CNN TV in red and magenta slides (but not in normal content). This is unusual, as we would expect the maximum brightness CNN TV to show uniformity issues before the 200 nits CNN TV. The 18% 25% window we used in January to measure the color gamut is also becoming more visible on this TV (and the FIFA 18 TV) as the weeks progress, even though we haven't displayed that 18% 25% test pattern since January. We have contacted LG to understand why this is happening and will update this article as we obtain more information."

It took 4 weeks of watching the TV using it 20 hours a day to see any effect.

"The TVs will all be controlled by a microcontroller to repeat a five hour on and one hour off cycle four times per day."


So, as I said, if I watch the same thing for 20 hours a day for several weeks, I might need to get a new TV or new eyes.


Given our TV is used a maximum of 2 hours a day on a weekday, and maybe 5 at a weekend, I think that it would probably take, Oh I dunno 10 years to notice any problems. I mean if you have an utterly sad existence and have the T.V. all day, and let it baby sit children, and you are some sort of die hard fan or a sport that you can't get away from or the world might end, then TV buy an LCD, who actually gives a monkeys, since having a TV on 20 hours a day would be the first problem I'd look at getting fixed, not worrying about the burn in.
 
Journey said:
Don't tell me I didn't read it correctly, when I clearly did.

"Week 4 (02/22/2018): New uniformity photos have been updated. Uniformity issues are clearly visible on the 200 nits CNN TV in red and magenta slides (but not in normal content). This is unusual, as we would expect the maximum brightness CNN TV to show uniformity issues before the 200 nits CNN TV. The 18% 25% window we used in January to measure the color gamut is also becoming more visible on this TV (and the FIFA 18 TV) as the weeks progress, even though we haven't displayed that 18% 25% test pattern since January. We have contacted LG to understand why this is happening and will update this article as we obtain more information."

It took 4 weeks of watching the TV using it 20 hours a day to see any effect.

"The TVs will all be controlled by a microcontroller to repeat a five hour on and one hour off cycle four times per day."


So, as I said, if I watch the same thing for 20 hours a day for several weeks, I might need to get a new TV or new eyes.


Given our TV is used a maximum of 2 hours a day on a weekday, and maybe 5 at a weekend, I think that it would probably take, Oh I dunno 10 years to notice any problems. I mean if you have an utterly sad existence and have the T.V. all day, and let it baby sit children, and you are some sort of die hard fan or a sport that you can't get away from or the world might end, then TV buy an LCD, who actually gives a monkeys, since having a TV on 20 hours a day would be the first problem I'd look at getting fixed, not worrying about the burn in.
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it's not the same thing - it's varied content. like i said read it properly. it's 2 different tests i linked to.

here I'll make it easier for you to understand

Our previous 20 hours per day burn-in test is still running


you are referring to the previous test not the new one
 
Just my 2c. Image retention is a whole different issue with OLED. I have had various Panny plasmas over the years and all had issues with retention to some degree. I've had nothing at all with OLED and imo the issue is not comparable between the technologies. Don't be a dumbass and fall asleep with logos on, sure, and maybe don't play Fifa for 15 hours straight, but I wouldn't let this put you off given the massive advantages in other areas. My current LG is the first panel I've been genuinely happy with since CRT days and it's amazing for gaming.

And the extra size is worth it ;)
 
Psycho Sonny said:
it's not the same thing - it's varied content. like i said read it properly. it's 2 different tests i linked to.

here I'll make it easier for you to understand

Our previous 20 hours per day burn-in test is still running


you are referring to the previous test not the new one
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What is 5 multiplied by 4? I'll re quote their website to give you a clue, then you can apologise for your outburst about me not reading it.

"The TVs will all be controlled by a microcontroller to repeat a five hour on and one hour off cycle four times per day."
 
Journey said:
What is 5 multiplied by 4? I'll re quote their website to give you a clue, then you can apologise for your outburst about me not reading it.

"The TVs will all be controlled by a microcontroller to repeat a five hour on and one hour off cycle four times per day."
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i'll quote you "So, as I said, if I watch the same thing for 20 hours a day for several weeks" it's not the same thing it's varied content. the old test was same thing.

also whether the test is for 2 hours a day or 20 hours a day is mute. it is showing you how over time it causes issues. so if they are experiencing issues after week 6 you will likely experience issues after say 6 months. it's a test to show you how time will effect the tv's picture.

as for my tv usage. i probably watch about 5 hours a week of tv content. possibly even less. however gaming (static) use is higher. which is where the issues lie.

they also state screen uniformity is down to the panels themselves luck of the draw. so it doesn't matter if you watch 1 hour a week or 20 hours a week. if you get a bad panel you will have issues. just that using it more can increase how bad the uniformity is especially when watching things like football on tv.

like i said in my first post OLED has it's own issues. it's not perfect.
 
kitkat9933 said:
Went for the LG 65 OLED. Getting a SONOS setup for sound. Went over budget so was about £3300 all in.

Looks small still next to my 75 inch in the lounge though


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Brave... transporting it flat! :p
 
Amp34 said:
Highly recommended not to do it with OLEDs as well
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Tesla must have designed S just so it fitted ..
but yes it's any tv, they're designed for stresses of vertical mounting, and use, not stress across face, even with polystyrene to absorb.
see the Pan fx700 utube of earthquake testing, rippling across face.

( re burn-in look back at the recent why no oled monitors thread - we flogged it to death )
 
Use my 65" C7 OLED as a computer monitor for browsing, games and movies. Is on 10-15 hours a day at some points. No image retention whatsoever and had it since October.

It may happen but I think unless you have the exact same thing displayed with static items for many hours then it's more of a challenge to actually get retention. Plus you miss out on all the fantastic benefits of an OLED picture if you go with a normal LCD due to a very hard to accomplish in real world use issue.
 
you guys all seem to be focusing on burn in and ignoring screen uniformity. i wonder why. i said it was one of many issues that come with oled. just because under your use you have none doesn't mean you don't have other issues.

it's the same with banding it happens on OLED's too usually the bigger you go the worse it gets.

how many of you have had yours professionally calibrated? did you ask the calibrator about the panel quality compared to a perfect one?
 
Psycho Sonny said:
you guys all seem to be focusing on burn in and ignoring screen uniformity. i wonder why. i said it was one of many issues that come with oled. just because under your use you have none doesn't mean you don't have other issues.

it's the same with banding it happens on OLED's too usually the bigger you go the worse it gets.

how many of you have had yours professionally calibrated? did you ask the calibrator about the panel quality compared to a perfect one?
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I've seen some pictures of banding on the AVSForum that were horrendous. My LG 65C7 appears to be average for banding, I have had it professionally calibrated and the guy confirmed my assessment too, not the best but not the worst he's seen either. You hit a key point though, viewing conditions is key to whether or not the issue arises. I checked for banding in a pitch black room using a 5% grey scale slide, that's the optimal way to see screen uniformity. In the same pitch black room, I also tested it against a bit of Marco Polo, as there's a number of scenes it that are at dawn/dusk with 50% sky present, that really highlights banding in real world examples.

That being said, the room was only made pitch black by taping bin bags over the windows and drawing the curtains (a requirement for accurate calibration or assessment of screens). In general usage, even at night, I almost never see the banding as there's too much ambient light present, even with the room lights off.

I was aware of the pitfalls of OLED technology going in and despite that, I love it. In my opinion, it's leagues ahead of backlit LED and I couldn't ever go back.
 
benjii said:
I've seen some pictures of banding on the AVSForum that were horrendous. My LG 65C7 appears to be average for banding, I have had it professionally calibrated and the guy confirmed my assessment too, not the best but not the worst he's seen either. You hit a key point though, viewing conditions is key to whether or not the issue arises. I checked for banding in a pitch black room using a 5% grey scale slide, that's the optimal way to see screen uniformity. In the same pitch black room, I also tested it against a bit of Marco Polo, as there's a number of scenes it that are at dawn/dusk with 50% sky present, that really highlights banding in real world examples.

That being said, the room was only made pitch black by taping bin bags over the windows and drawing the curtains (a requirement for accurate calibration or assessment of screens). In general usage, even at night, I almost never see the banding as there's too much ambient light present, even with the room lights off.

I was aware of the pitfalls of OLED technology going in and despite that, I love it. In my opinion, it's leagues ahead of backlit LED and I couldn't ever go back.
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i refer to my first post in this thread

"having been an advocater of plasma and owning several. now went back to LCD. i now realise there is no such thing as a perfect tv or even a tv which will suit most people.

as long as you are aware of the pro's and cons of each tech and oled suits your usage you will be fine."

so OLED suits your usage and viewing conditions. so you will be happy with it.

amazing how people just cherry pick one part and ignore the rest though. burn in is only relevant to those who have static content. i used gaming as an example as i used to play a lot of fifa on my plasma which caused issues so i stopped and bought an lcd purely to game on.

i'm still waiting on them refining the tech a bit. also i only just bought a new tv less than 2 years ago. so i reckon another 3 years at least before i buy again.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
i refer to my first post in this thread

"having been an advocater of plasma and owning several. now went back to LCD. i now realise there is no such thing as a perfect tv or even a tv which will suit most people.

as long as you are aware of the pro's and cons of each tech and oled suits your usage you will be fine."

so OLED suits your usage and viewing conditions. so you will be happy with it.

amazing how people just cherry pick one part and ignore the rest though. burn in is only relevant to those who have static content. i used gaming as an example as i used to play a lot of fifa on my plasma which caused issues so i stopped and bought an lcd purely to game on.

i'm still waiting on them refining the tech a bit. also i only just bought a new tv less than 2 years ago. so i reckon another 3 years at least before i buy again.
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I agree completely. We were looking for a new TV as ours was old and lacking features we wanted, in an ideal world I would have picked up an OLED 2-3 years from now. However, we didn't want to wait that long to upgrade and didn't want to buy another TV to make do. I definitely think OLED needs to see improvements in many aspects before I'd recommended it to everyone. As you said though, if you know what you're getting yourself into and are ok with that, then great.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
also IMO OLED still isn't worth buying. too many issues. screen uniformity with banding, etc. also image retention so no gaming allowed or pc use.
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Psycho Sonny said:
rtings did a test on i believe 10 OLED's. some of them showed little to no signs and some were absolutely shocking. this was on the same model of OLED all 10 the exact same.

it's luck of the draw. so no it's not BS go look on rtings for proof
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Rtings rate the C8 OLED as the best gaming TV:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-usage/video-gaming
 
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