Red Alert 3 - my dads view

i dont understand why people make posts like this

i reckon its narrow mindedness tbh..... anyway

i love all kinds of strategy games its one of the main reasons i prefer my PC to any console

i love difficult games where you need genuine strategy and tactics like CoH, Total War Supcom, etc

but then again i can appreciate and enjoy simple/humorous games like C&C3, RA3 etc

RA3 might not be as difficult and take itself as seriously as CoH and i understand it might not be your dads type of game
but that does not mean is a crap and that you need to go and tell everyone not to buy it
 
i reckon its narrow mindedness tbh..... anyway

i love all kinds of strategy games its one of the main reasons i prefer my PC to any console

RA3 might not be as difficult and take itself as seriously as CoH and i understand it might not be your dads type of game
but that does not mean is a crap and that you need to go and tell everyone not to buy it

Its not narrow mindedness, its a view of me and a lot of others that this game, compared to the others around is rubbish and not very well made or put together. My dad has played almost every one out there so far so i think he has a fair idea.

RA3 is not difficult at all, thats 1/2 the issue. It is the type of game my dad loves, just this one is pants, bad game play,. bad graphics, no good AI in the game and too easy.

It does mean its crap, and yes, i feel i have a voice and wish to use it to tell others DONT BUY RA3, its no where near as good as other games out there.

Seems a fair point of view to me lol..

ColiN
 
Damn! your father is good, he could probably give me a few pointers. I find it hard enough with 1 AI in hard mode - wouldn't even try 2 AI on hard.

Agree w/ your dad that RA3 is just bad, i couldn't be bothered to finish it (PS not because of it's difficulty as I am no ace in RTS, many reasons why I didn't like it). I also didn't like Supreme Commander - pathfinding was rubbish at least when i played it back in the day (may have been patched since then, but still wouldn't care ;))

Your dad may like World in Conflict, pretty good game, although not as good as CoH.

PS - i have recently reinstalled CoH/opposing fronts and am looking for some cool mods - know of any?
 
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Its not narrow mindedness, its a view of me and a lot of others that this game, compared to the others around is rubbish and not very well made or put together. My dad has played almost every one out there so far so i think he has a fair idea.
He may have played every game out there but that doesn't imply no one else will like it. Hell I liked it :D

RA3 is not difficult at all, thats 1/2 the issue. It is the type of game my dad loves, just this one is pants, bad game play,. bad graphics, no good AI in the game and too easy.
But it is fun :D
 
It does mean its crap, and yes, i feel i have a voice and wish to use it to tell others DONT BUY RA3, its no where near as good as other games out there.

Er, no. It just means playing strategy games by yourself rarely shows you what the game has to offer.
 
Yep I've actually been rather disappointed by RA3 as well - and this is from someone who likes C&C3 and the expansion, and in general is a fan of relatively 'shallow' RTS games like DoW, RA2 etc. The campaign missions seem mostly dull and the cartoony graphics really don't do it any favours.

The sections of the tutorial I watched did seem very slick however, and of course you get your usual cheesy FMV between missions. But neither of those factors help the core campaign. The only redeeming feature really is the fact that you can play co-op (with AI teammate if necessary) during the normal campaign, that's a nice touch.
 
ColinUK>Does he have opposing fronts as that unlocks the Panzer elite and British sides and unlocks two campaigns.

While the opposing fronts campaigns are good in their own right they are nowhere near as good as the original single player campaign.

While I understand that he likes to play at his own pace and can start and stop at his own leisure the MP for the most part is very good besides the dodgy connection method.

You can do Comp stomps which I suspect your father would love and of course you can do the full MP and go against human opponents.

And as much as I find the comp stomps fun the AI is not match for a human opponent. Stick any obstacle like tank traps and sandbags on any of the bridge maps and *** AI 90% of the time does not try to circumnavigate it or destroy it. They will just sit there. Not to mention it likes to put a tank producing facility on the bridge so your troops and armour can't get past it without you destroying it etc.

As in the previous posts by people who play COH the second expansion TAles of Valour wll be with us shortly not to mention the large amount of resources by COH modding commuinity like map packs and game mods. Ask your father to try the download the Battle of the Bulge mod as while it is still COH at the core it has some very interesting additions or alterations to the main game.

I do think your father is missing out on the human aspect of COH and while there are one or two elitist players out there most of my experiences online has been overwhelmingly positive. I, myself am a extremely poor COH player but people try to give you pointers and show you where you need to go to help the team and if they are in trouble asking for reinforcements. While people say there is more teamwork required in WIC, I find COH is also dependant on it especially on the big annilihate and victory point maps.

And suprisingly for a "realistic" RTS the amount of laughs while playing is insane. Whether it is from some newcomer to the the game or some seasoned pro we are in stitches most nights when we play as we use TS to get some good banter going that the team chat facility on COH can not capture.

Also you can use the save replay feature to watch how different people counteract different sides and stuff and you can analyse it to see how they managed to beat your arty spam or tank rushes. This in effect improves your game although it does not guarantee you will win but it does allow you to see your mistakes and minimalise them the next time you play.

There are of course plenty of alternatives to COH. WIC is quite decent although I find it more of a rock, scissors, paper type of RTS with extremely nice graphics. I quite enjoyed C&C3 but it more of a spam fest rather than an outright tactical hard counter RTS which I would classify COH as.

Good luck on finding an alternative to COH for your father but if he can't find any that he enjoys as much as COH then certainly tell him to download the map packs and Battle of the Bulge mod as that will hopefully will holds his interest longer until when/if CoH2 is released.

And if your father ever ventures onto the MP side of things online then please ask him to add me to his friends list. I will make sure to make it nice and friendly although I can't guarantee that I will not play badly:)
 
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Opposing Fronts killed CoH. I can't go back to it any more, the balance is horrendous. Not to mention Relic effectively abandoning it after promising 'quick patches' - the last one was months ago!
This isn't the first time THQ / Relic have done this, look at Winter Assault for DoW.
Anyway, enough brow bashing...

Tales of Valour looks to add very little to the gameplay mechanics of CoH online, I might play it for the single player but nothing more.

WIC is terrible, let's not even pretend it's a game for anyone other than angry 'clan fags' to shout at people over voice comms.

C&C3 was a poor conversion of Zero Hour with nice graphics. The expansion fouled it up even more.

Red Alert 3 has none of the redeeming qualities of the first two games. I can't honestly think of one situation whilst playing it single player or online where I thought "Oh, that's cool" or "That's useful". Everything felt imbalanced and (to coin a phrase from the post above) very 'Rock, Scissors, Paper'.
The new 'Apocalypse' tank just looked awful. Words cannot describe how truly, astoundingly terrible the art design AND the unit design are. The whole point of that tank is that it was incredibly powerful vs. armour and 'ok' vs. air / infantry. What is it now? Oh it has sort of a tractor beam and some other junk on it, brilliant.

The Allied naval units are pathetic compared to the Japanese, almost to the point of not even being worthwhile building. The carrier is the only unit of any tangible use, and even that is woefully under powered!

Awful, awful game.

I'll play DoW2 until Relic inevitably go "LOL MEGA UNITZZ" and put in some terrible game-breaking mechanics.
 
The new 'Apocalypse' tank just looked awful. Words cannot describe how truly, astoundingly terrible the art design AND the unit design are. The whole point of that tank is that it was incredibly powerful vs. armour and 'ok' vs. air / infantry. What is it now? Oh it has sort of a tractor beam and some other junk on it, brilliant.

I agree,the shape reminds me of a mini.
 
there is no denying that the poster that comes with it is worthy of a mention, the blonde one next to Jenny McCarthy has one hell of a body!!
 
RA3 is pap. I hate EA with a passion.

It is exactly the same as C&C3 which was also pap. It's like they don't look at the rest of the market. RA3 just brings nothing new to the genre. EA know it is RA and will sell. also doesn't help they own most of the market so they cannot lose.
 
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