Religion question?

What? In a test tube?

No, I mean it sounds like you've just listed things that you feel would be nice according to your world view.

Unfortunately not everybody shares the same views and you're going to need reason, logic and/or evidence to demonstrate what you think to other people
 
I'm going to need it? I don't need to do anything! I could care less, I'm just sharing my view. I could list things but they'd be disseminated. It's just pointless.
 
Well I only said you'll need those things to demonstrate it because you said before that "we should discuss whether we think 'He' exists". I think if you're going to want to discuss it you're going to have to find some common ground with the people you're discussing it with
 
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I personally believe in God mainly due to the fact I don't think the Big Bang could just happen, it's a ridiculous proposition. I also don't buy that something so beautiful could just happen, it's not possible I'm sorry.

Doesn't that just shift the problem one step further back? From whence came God?
 
I think that people believe in a god and follow a religion because it makes them feel good and gives them more of a purpose to live....

Personally I think aliens are more probable than a god but then I am capable of objective thought which clearly a lot of people are not lol....

I find it hard to accept that hardcore religous types can go to the extremes they do and believe 100% what they say when there is no actual evidence which backs up what they believe... I am open minded and would happily believe in a god if there was ANY evidence at all...
 
Also the arguement that the big bang is unlikely etc. OK so maybe there could be another explanation but "bang > stuff" is a pretty simplistic view... The theory of evolution makes more sense than "a big man in the sky made it in 7 days etc"... Again I am just looking at the evidence in front of me.

There has been found that there is a correlation between religion and IQ levels... eg. people who prescribe to a religion are likely to have lower intelligence... No offence here I am just stating the facts.
 
Well OK matter is energy right? Energy apparently can't be created or destroyed, just converted into different forms. So the entirety of the universe came from an infinitesimally small point. Nothing -> Infinite

I think what you are saying here is a bit in depth for most religous types.
 
Yes an no. A Christian could certainly say they were atheistic about a non Abrahamic god but they couldn't say they were 'an atheist'.

By your definition dependent on specificity they could...it is simply a matter of context.

The etymological use of the word and whether it was used as an insult or not is irrelevant to it's meaning (which is simply 'without god').

No, the (Without God) is the etymology, as in it is derived from the French Athéiste which in turn was drawn from atheos which is a construction relating to ungodly or Godless or abandoned by the Gods (rather than simply Without God, atheos is actually Not God or No God rather than without in Koine Greek).

It is often misunderstood, but just because a word can be de constructed into it's constituent derivatives doesn't mean that it is simply those derivatives added together.


But by definition everyone then is agnostic (as I said earlier) because no one can claim to KNOW either way.

People do claim to know or they attribute truth values in a definitive way, the way those values are attributed define whether you are Theist or Atheist...an Agnostic simple doesn't attribute a truth value to either position as the value is simply unknown.

Even Richard Dawkins admits on many occasion he cannot conclusively say there is no God and does not claim to absolutely KNOW there isn't one but would you call him an agnostic?

As I said, it is about attributing or assigning a truth factor to each position.

This is my point, anyone that claims they definitely know for certain a god or gods exists or not is lying. So that kind of makes your definition of agnostic rather useless in a practical sense.

As I have said, Atheism and to some degree Agnosticism are very broad terms and can be defined in any number of ways. It is why these conversations get mired in semantics all to often.

When I tell people I'm an atheist, they shouldn't think "That means he can categorically deny the existence of a god",they should think "Oh he just doesn't prey, worship a god, or accept religious tales about them are likely to be true".

If someone tells me they are an atheist (in isolation) I take that to mean simply that they do not believe in any kind of God(s), not that they deny anything or anyone...however if someone tells me they are an atheist and that theists are wrong, then have altered the context and therefore the definition of the term to include the denial of God(s) and I would compose any reply taking those factors into consideration.

As an Agnostic (Ignostic more specifically) I simply do not attribute a value to either position relative to each other...I neither actively believe or disbelieve, I simply think the question "Is there a God" to be unknown and therefore unanswered. I will debate the wheres and whathaveyous but as you have probably seen in these types of threads, the Theists call me an Atheist, the Atheists call me a Theist..in reality I am neither, I simply debate from a neutral position. (as far as belief in God is concerned)
 
Well OK matter is energy right? Energy apparently can't be created or destroyed, just converted into different forms. So the entirety of the universe came from an infinitesimally small point. Nothing -> Infinite

Not really sure on the relevance. How does adding God to the equation make it any more plausible? It seems to be yet another iteration of the God of the gaps.
 
Not really sure on the relevance. How does adding God to the equation make it any more plausible? It seems to be yet another iteration of the God of the gaps.

Yep, why not just say matter is infinite?

EDIT: I'm not claiming it is, I'm just wondering why steps are being added
 
As an Agnostic (Ignostic more specifically) I simply do not attribute a value to either position relative to each other...I neither actively believe or disbelieve, I simply think the question "Is there a God" to be unknown and therefore unanswered. I will debate the wheres and whathaveyous but as you have probably seen in these types of threads, the Theists call me an Atheist, the Atheists call me a Theist..in reality I am neither, I simply debate from a neutral position. (as far as belief in God is concerned)

I like your style
 
As an Agnostic (Ignostic more specifically) I simply do not attribute a value to either position relative to each other...I neither actively believe or disbelieve, I simply think the question "Is there a God" to be unknown and therefore unanswered. I will debate the wheres and whathaveyous but as you have probably seen in these types of threads, the Theists call me an Atheist, the Atheists call me a Theist..in reality I am neither, I simply debate from a neutral position. (as far as belief in God is concerned)

I know we've talked about religion before but I still struggle with your position here. If we were to discuss the existence of fairies, would you still sit on the fence? Genuinely curious and not trying to be obtuse by the way
 
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