Remapping on PCP

So much weird advice in this thread.

I’ve got a car on PCP. It’s modded. The PCP is due to end in August this year. When it does I’m not giving it back, just going to use cash and/ or get car loan to pay off the balloon payment.

Basically if you are definitely planning on giving the car back and more than likely going to get your next car from same place, don’t mod it.

If you can afford the final payment with either cash or loan it really doesn’t matter...
 
A PCP is a form of Hire Purchase. The finance company own the car. There're no ifs buts maybes about it.

Source - I sold (would arranged be a better word?) them for years, and I had to sit (and pass) FCA exams.
 
Why would someone's next PCP deal depend on the GFV? It could be a 20% residual or 50% residual for the GFV, it makes no difference other than affecting your monthly payments and you either build up significant equity or you don't.

What should someone be looking for? A high or low GFV? Most people look for high GFV but you likely build less equity that way (although if you save up from the lower monthly payments, then even then not much of a difference).

Your monthly payments are not building an equivalent amount of equity as a vehicle is a depreciating asset.

GFV is normally below actual value to encourage you to make the final payment or use the difference between GFV and actual value. So for example.

Your GFV is 10k but the car is actually worth 12k therefore you have 2k equity. You are therefore more likely to make the final payment as the asset is worth more than you are paying for it or more likely to move into a new PCP deal as you have 2k to use as your deposit on the new deal.

Your GFV is 12k but the car is actually worth 10k. No one is ever going to make the final payment on that deal as the car is worth less than you need to pay to own it. So you hand the vehicle back. Now the finance company need to sell an asset worth 10k for 12k in order to make their original profit projections on the open market.
 
Similarly BMW Financial Services don't own the car unless they pay the GFV to wipe the loan and complete the contract. So who owns the car?

In a secured loan, the concept of who owns the car isn't as simple as that.

Thats wrong, the finance company has already paid in full for the car, they then lend it to you during your chosen rental period 2/3/4 years, after that you can pay the baloon and own the car, or hand the car back to the finance company who will auction it off.
 
To clear up any ambiguity, miss one of your monthly payments - you’ll rapidly find out who owns the car.

I don’t have anything against PCP - it serves a purpose. If it’s easier to budget for motoring by allocating, say £300/month, then who am I to judge?
 
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Depending on your haggling ability, dealer contribution and Apr rate PCP can actually work out cheaper.

I know my rate was 3.4% and had a staggering amount knocked off. Spent yonks working it all out against various options. Not sure I'd mod it though if I intended to hand it back. I know a few people take out a PCP plan and then get a loan a couple of months later, again all depending on the deal you can strike. Sometimes you can even more knocked off with a high apr, and then just switch to a loan soon after. Basically, everyones circumstances are different.
 
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So much weird advice in this thread.

I’ve got a car on PCP. It’s modded. The PCP is due to end in August this year. When it does I’m not giving it back, just going to use cash and/ or get car loan to pay off the balloon payment.

Basically if you are definitely planning on giving the car back and more than likely going to get your next car from same place, don’t mod it.

If you can afford the final payment with either cash or loan it really doesn’t matter...

So I assume your warranty has run out?
 
Depending on your haggling ability, dealer contribution and Apr rate PCP can actually work out cheaper.

I know my rate was 3.4% and had a staggering amount knocked off. Spent yonks working it all out against various options. Not sure I'd mod it though if I intended to hand it back. I know a few people take out a PCP plan and then get a loan a couple of months later, again all depending on the deal you can strike. Sometimes you can even more knocked off with a high apr, and then just switch to a loan soon after. Basically, everyones circumstances are different.

You're very much correct. I sold Renault & Dacia. You were always better taking the PCP option than cash (or self arranged finance) on Dacias. We didn't have any wiggle room on the price (make around £300 profit on the metal) of Dacias, but take the PCP and RCI (the finance company) gives you a deposit contribution (up to £750). You need to keep the finance for 45 days and then boom, free to pay it off and not incur any extra charges. Sure, you're paying a bit of interest but the deposit contribution ensures you save money. Also, they were doing a promotion relatively recently where if you took RCI PCP/normal HP then you were given a free 2 year extended warranty.

Heck, even pre-registered Dacias you were getting a better deal going new.
 
and a lot of people fail to mention that to their insurance company.

Most insurance companies are only concerned who the registered keeper is and registered address not the legal owner. For PCP / HP that's you, for lease it's the lease company. As long as you tell them re leasing it makes no difference.
 
Yea you can get insurance on any car, it doesn't matter who owns it. Though a lease might up the costs a bit because there's often an "I don't care" attitude.
 
and a lot of people fail to mention that to their insurance company.
do some policies ask for the name of the owner (as opposed to registered keeper)
edit - maybe you need gap insurance though

re-posting pcp issues post .. hopefully we will not have loan companies bailing out PCP users, like ppi
interesting analysis of pcp's by irish consumer research from https://www.ccpc.ie/business/ccpc-publishes-report-pcp-car-finance-market/

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3.6 While consumers were aware of the initial deposit paid, and whether that was in cash or as part of a trade-in, they did not think of it in terms of a percentage of the overall car value at the time. Most of the consumers who participated in the focus groups said that they could accurately recall their APR and they could compare it to the rates offered for comparable finance products, although it was not possible to test the accuracy of these statements. The consumers asked by the CCPC said that they knew what amount they were paying per month and most based their decision to engage with PCP on the basis of what they could afford each month

3.10 Another common condition of a PCP is servicing requirements. The dealership can specify where the car hasto be serviced, how often it should be serviced and in some instances what the service should include. Although the research indicated that the possible expense of not being able to arrange the service elsewhere could be a source of annoyance for consumers, it also highlighted that consumers were made aware of this condition by the dealers prior to entering the contract.

3.11 Penalties for excessive wear and tear are a specific condition of PCP agreements. Discussions with consumers indicated that they were not confident as to the definition of excessive wear and tear and what this could mean at the end of the term. This suggests that this issue may not be adequately explained to consumers at the point of sale including, for example, what the dealership’s definition of excessive wear and tear is, how it affects the vehicle’s value, and the penalties or charges that may be incurred by the consumer.

Misconceptions regarding the equity – Although the GMFV is set to allow for fluctuations in the second-hand car market, the CCPC’s research indicated that consumers could not imagine a situation where there would not be enough equity in the car to roll their PCP. Rather, there is a perception that the providers of PCP finance have ‘engineered’ the GMFV so that there will always be some equity left in the car in order to encourage consumers to roll into another PCP contract. As discussed in Chapter 2, a sudden decrease in second-hand car values could affect the amount of equity in the car at the end of a PCP contract.
 
So much weird advice in this thread.

I’ve got a car on PCP. It’s modded. The PCP is due to end in August this year. When it does I’m not giving it back, just going to use cash and/ or get car loan to pay off the balloon payment.

Basically if you are definitely planning on giving the car back and more than likely going to get your next car from same place, don’t mod it.

If you can afford the final payment with either cash or loan it really doesn’t matter...
Odd choice as I assume HP would have been a cheaper option if this was your plan from the start ?
 
Odd choice as I assume HP would have been a cheaper option if this was your plan from the start ?

Not necassarily - PCP deals often have bigger deposit contributions and lower APRs than HP, making it cheaper to take and then settle the balance another way. Although getting a loan to pay the final payment depends on getting a decent rate.
 
Odd choice as I assume HP would have been a cheaper option if this was your plan from the start ?

HP is almost always cheaper but of course as you end up owning the vehicle the monthly payments are higher which puts some people off. PCP means you pay more overall but less cashflow per month..
 
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