Renault cheaters?

Let's not forget that the people actually responsible here (Briatore and Symonds) have been banned for life and five years, respectively. It's not like everyone's escaped punishment.

And whilst Piquet Jr. might have gotten immunity from any actual banning, none of the teams are going to want to go anywhere near him, and not just because he's a terrible driver. His name is inescapably tarnished now.

Those at fault were punished. Renault, for letting three people conspire incredibly well (if you read the details, I don't see how any team could have caught them during or before the race, it was simple plan, executed perfectly, and with the fewest people involved as possible), get a punishment befitting their role.
 
Weebull said:
And whilst Piquet Jr. might have gotten immunity from any actual banning, none of the teams are going to want to go anywhere near him, and not just because he's a terrible driver. His name is inescapably tarnished now.
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Precisely on the money. It isn't as if Alonso crashed his car and Piquet Jr squealed on the team. Piquet Jr was involved in this so the FIA probably decided the offer of immunity and no ban was enough as which F1 team, or even which motorsport team, would touch him now?
 
Superewza said:
What i don't understand is how if you're told to crash... you actually do it?
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Its pretty easy, just apply too much power too soon as you're still turning, throw the back end around and bang into the wall fairly softly, which afaik, is exactly what he did.

THe thing is, theres no way to tell who was actually involved, and because Pique named two people that HE WAS AWARE OF, the team got rid of them, that doesn't in any way prove it was their idea or those were the only two involved. However publically those are the only two provable as cheaters, so they got rid of them. Its perfectly possible everyone was aware and it was the team owners idea, or Alonso's idea for all we know.

Thats the problem for me, its naive to just blindly assume it was those two alone.

I do think they should have gotten a far stiffer punishment, at the end of the day the team cheated, we can't know whose involved and there is for next season a 14th team fully funded and ready to go, that hasn't cheated, seems a pretty easy choice to me. Surely even if they aren't banned this year, surely it should have effected their application for future years by making them the last ditch choice if they desparately need another team.
 
No fine and just basically told not to do it again for the next 2 years.......

They could've stripped all their points this year, fine them 100 million.....the whole thing was a pointless exercise if you ask me.
 
Its a disgrace that Renault have got away with a suspended sentance in all honesty...what was the point of even having the enquiry when Renault got rid of Briatore and Symonds??...pointless exercise by Mosely and Ecclestone...if anything they are just as clueless as UEFA and FIFA governing bodies of football.

Wow a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again:rolleyes..well done FIA well done you bunch of muppets.
 
I also agree they have got off lightly...

But I can fully see why.
The FIA is really worried that it's loosing the manufacturers from the sport, and if they punished Renault fully, they would simply pull out of F1 all together. Another major manufacturer gone, and not to mention Renault have some history too.
 
Looks like Flavey baby might end up being sacked from QPR due to the fallout with Renault...something about the Fit and proper test that all owners of football teams have to go through.

Id be surprised if the coca cola officials actually have the balls to do something about it.
 
I can't see much motivation for Renault to stay in the championship anyway. Times are tough, and this would be the perfect excuse for them to pull out. Their performance has been disappointing quite frankly, and the company can't be seeing much back from their investment at all.

Contrary to the opinion of the OP, I was very surprised at the behavior of Briatore and Symonds; they've both been in this sport since the 80's, and should have known much better than to risk their careers on such an inconsequential race. I could understand if the title was at steak for them but it wasn't. Perhaps there was something more going on that we'll never find out. It also makes me wonder; if I could have misjudged Briatore and Symonds (not that I particularly liked either of them tbh) so greatly, I wonder what else they've done over the years that's never been found out, and whether the attitude of any of the other staff in the paddock is much like theirs or if they're just isolated, which would seem unlikely, no?

As for Piquet, he probably realised his career in F1 was over after several seasons of underperforming, and he did the right thing to name and shame, even if it was for the wrong (bitterness) reasons. He effectively ended his career right there, as nobody in F1 will touch him again, even if he was as good a driver as his father. However, we can't feel too sorry for him, he is every bit as much to blame, as he was the one who crashed the car. He should have been the bigger man and refused to do so, and a real driver with the hunger for competition would NEVER deliberately crash out. If he had, he at least could have left Renault (when they would inevitably fire him for not complying) with his reputation and some dignity left.

My two cents.
 
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They really shot themselves in the foot by letting Piquet go, if they had kept him on, this might not have come to light. I kind of think they are pretty stupid to have not seen that this could have happened.
 
Nexus said:
They really shot themselves in the foot by letting Piquet go, if they had kept him on, this might not have come to light. I kind of think they are pretty stupid to have not seen that this could have happened.
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I suspect they called his bluff inferring that if he blew the whistle it would most likely end any possible career in F1 with any other team.
 
I'd be very surprised if alonso really knew nothing about this. He apparently didn't question at all why he was being pitted so early when it would normally be bad strategy. I also don't get this whole suspended sentence thing.
 
Spawn said:
Looks like Flavey baby might end up being sacked from QPR due to the fallout with Renault...something about the Fit and proper test that all owners of football teams have to go through.

Id be surprised if the coca cola officials actually have the balls to do something about it.
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They can't sack him - he is a shareholder in the club. All they can do is force him to reduce his shareholding down to something like 30%.
 
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