Researchers uncover six-year Russian misinformation campaign across Facebook and Reddit

If Russia are attacking the west then the way they are doing it is through the left, if you've spent the last 3-4 years attacking democratically elected western leaders and democratic decisions like Brexit then chances are you are victim of propaganda from countries like China and Russia. The massive division and anti-UK/US sentiment you see now even among our own citizens (again mostly among those on the left) is probably a result of outside work, we have a generations of youth who have been taught that love of ones country is some far right evil, we have media reporting that riots are largely peaceful and defending our countries history is far right thuggery.

The corporate media should take responsibility and have their funding investigated, the way they talk the UK/US are the most horrible countries on Earth. I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the BLM/Antifa rioters recently were mostly young adults and teens as they're the most easily influenced.

I thought the current russian government were generally at odds with the left. Does Putin not despise HRC?

It's globalists vs nationalists.
 
Neo-liberalism wasn't centrism,

I absolutely agree, but I specifically said the "people" were more central and not the "Governments".

The reason I said "Centre" was to differentiate that only "Governments" can be Neo-liberal etc, and not "people", because Neo-liberal is just a series of Policies set out by a Government and not by an individual. So while "people" can be Left/Centre/Right in political leaning, only "Governments" can set Policies like Neo-liberalism, Authoritarianism etc.
 
I absolutely agree, but I specifically said the "people" were more central and not the "Governments".

The reason I said "Centre" was to differentiate that only "Governments" can be Neo-liberal etc, and not "people", because Neo-liberal is just a series of Policies set out by a Government and not by an individual. So while "people" can be Left/Centre/Right in political leaning, only "Governments" can set Policies like Neo-liberalism, Authoritarianism etc.

Suppose so. Though, how the legislature acts is still a representation/microcosm of the rest of society (ideally). So the constant stream of immorality is a depressing sight that people would rather not acknowledge. Which is probably why the increasingly realityTV show like Westminster is a disaster, it can only really attract a limited selection of people who are almost certainly not a representation of society. This distance between the country and the makeup of it's legislature is clearly unhealthy.
 
If Russia are attacking the west then the way they are doing it is through the left, if you've spent the last 3-4 years attacking democratically elected western leaders and democratic decisions like Brexit then chances are you are victim of propaganda from countries like China and Russia. The massive division and anti-UK/US sentiment you see now even among our own citizens (again mostly among those on the left) is probably a result of outside work, we have a generations of youth who have been taught that love of ones country is some far right evil, we have media reporting that riots are largely peaceful and defending our countries history is far right thuggery.

The corporate media should take responsibility and have their funding investigated, the way they talk the UK/US are the most horrible countries on Earth. I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the BLM/Antifa rioters recently were mostly young adults and teens as they're the most easily influenced.

As is so often the case someone who can see others falling for propaganda can't see it in themselves.

PS Russia is one of the few that gains anything from Brexit (the fragmentation of those it perceives as stands against it).
 
If we want a free and open internet, it's open to being abused. It's like removing all the CCTV in London and there being loads more crime, but at least you've got your privacy right?
Isn't that meant to be like testing, if we didn't have so much CCTV we wouldn't have so many crimes. ;)
 
Russia are trying to attack from all political angles , anarchy, .... stirring BLM topic, too, from their detailed report
https://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/93/2018/12/IRA-Report-2018.pdf




Russia’s Internet Research Agency (IRA) not what we associate it with


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I think you overestimate the importance of this forum!
I think he is right I spotted at least 2 which I am 90% sure about. I do wonder if Greebo is thinking about the same people as me but with it being a public forum and without absolute proof I am not going to spread names around in case I am wrong.

If you are targeting UK forums which ones would you target? Surly this would be in the top 10 if not top 5.
 
And no one was even slightly suprised.

I dont know why we just dont cut off Russia's internet links to us. Does anyone actually need it?
 
If Russia are attacking the west then the way they are doing it is through the left, if you've spent the last 3-4 years attacking democratically elected western leaders and democratic decisions like Brexit then chances are you are victim of propaganda from countries like China and Russia. The massive division and anti-UK/US sentiment you see now even among our own citizens (again mostly among those on the left) is probably a result of outside work, we have a generations of youth who have been taught that love of ones country is some far right evil, we have media reporting that riots are largely peaceful and defending our countries history is far right thuggery.

The corporate media should take responsibility and have their funding investigated, the way they talk the UK/US are the most horrible countries on Earth. I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the BLM/Antifa rioters recently were mostly young adults and teens as they're the most easily influenced.
How can you be so blind and unware of what is going off. It shows how gullible you are which explains how you have fallen for propaganda big time. I agree with Rroff "As is so often the case someone who can see others falling for propaganda can't see it in themselves." which is you all over. If I am right about who the Russian accounts you would be in for a major shock.
 
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How can you be so blind and unware of what is going off. It shows how gullible you are which explains how you have fallen for propaganda big time. I agree with Rroff "As is so often the case someone who can see others falling for propaganda can't see it in themselves." which is you all over. If I am right about who the Russian accounts are you would be in for a major shock.

The only logical explanation is that he's a Russki spreading his rubbish here. He never, ever responds to anything, doesn't answer questions, just posts his drivel and runs. I'm pretty sure we as a species don't make people that stupid anymore, so it must be intentional?
 
I believe several frequent this forum

Lol could certainly think of a few suspects!

I would hope that this isn't shocking to anyone by now and I wouldn't be surprised if Russia was the only ones doing it. I don't just mean the "bad guys" like China, North Korea, Iran etc either but also the reverse where the US/UK and other western countries etc were doing similar back at their targetted countries. You'd have to be pretty naive to believe that a lack of physical conflict means that conflict by "other means" isn't still taking place every day.

Exactly, this is just part of cyber warfare. You'd have to be stupid not to be partaking in cyber warfare that tries to influence outcomes in other countries.

What's the solution though? Every nation goes full Great Wall of China mode? I don't see that happening.

Really, what can be done? Except every post on every social media site requires authentication by real world ID? Don't think the libertarians will back that.

If we want a free and open internet, it's open to being abused. It's like removing all the CCTV in London and there being loads more crime, but at least you've got your privacy right?

The easiest solution is education. Teach people where to find their news information from, and how they can verify a piece of news they've read for accuracy. The problem with large groups in this country is that they'd prefer to get their news from faceboook etc, and that makes it so much easier for false news to spread.
 
The only logical explanation is that he's a Russki spreading his rubbish here. He never, ever responds to anything, doesn't answer questions, just posts his drivel and runs. I'm pretty sure we as a species don't make people that stupid anymore, so it must be intentional?
That did cross my mind and I could be wrong but MMJ does not appear fully match the profile of the Russian accounts. Rather I think MMJ is being targeted by the accounts run by the Russians and MMJ is falling for the Russian propaganda and then unwittily spreading it. MMJ is the type of person the Russian accounts are trying to hit.

If MMJ is one of the Russian accounts then who ever is running that one is doing a much better job then the people running the other Russian accounts. The ways I used to spot the other Russian accounts don't seem to point to MMJ, but my method is not foolproof which is why I am not spreading names in case I am wrong.
 
Whilst some are suffering mild outrage at this - do you not think we do this to them as well?
If we are we are going about it then we are doing it far smarter making its harder to spot or a far smaller scale. I have not seen any evidence we are doing it. Over in Russian the jobs are advertised publicly and are easy to spot if you know what to look for. Many of the people doing the job don't care about politics and are doing it for the money. They are given a bunch of rules to follow and by knowing the rules you can spot the accounts to a reasonable degree of accuracy but not 100% :(
 
If you are targeting UK forums which ones would you target? Surly this would be in the top 10 if not top 5.

I think you may over-value the "actual" size (rather than just the member numbers) of OcUK compared to sites like Mumsnet, Pistonheads, DigitalSpy, MoneySavingExpert, etc.

OcUK is far too niche and despite the size of its user base, which at 146k 'looks' impressive, it has a much smaller "active" user number and an even smaller active "GD" section which a Peer Nation would be interested in using. Thats not to say that Peer Nations haven't looked at OcUK, carried out research into it's viability etc, it's just that the rewards are far too small for the effort required. All that in just an opinion though, so I could be completely wrong and a Russian bot myself without even knowing :D
 
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