Returning gamer need advice, £1k(ish) build advice.

Looking at same type of system and budget. £1000 to £1200 pushing it.

Will be a general workhorse leaning towards gaming. Hoping to have for 3 years at least.
Main reason for upgrade is my i5 4750 and R9 380 is beginning to feel its age and looking to up settings on games at 1080p.

Also, flight sim with DCS and X-Plane which is especially high single core speed required and as powerful cpu/gcard as possible.

But it looks like in the last week i7 8700k has rocketed in price but is the perfect cpu for flight sims.
X-Plane atm is Open-GL but they going over to Vulkan soon so things might change but it’s poo pooed in the C-Plane world to go anywhere near Ryzen 2700x cause single speed not enough.

Don’t know whether to buy i7 8700k now and lock in the price or wait to see how price goes when new chips arrive.
Plan is to maybe go stock speed for a couple of years the OC.

OC knacker warranty of course and never done it before or bought high end cpu but it should give me much more longevity.

Any thoughts guys?

Many thanks
 
@Cita8

...why don't you just grab a 8600k or i3 8350k if core speed is key . You don't need extra threads so will save cash and both clock at 5ghz+ .
Granted i3 is a side grade as it's the same 4c/4t as your current i5 , 8600k would least add extra 2 cores and 500hz clock along with extra cashed etc
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@Cita8

...why don't you just grab a 8600k or i3 8350k if core speed is key . You don't need extra threads so will save cash and both clock at 5ghz+ .
Granted i3 is a side grade as it's the same 4c/4t as your current i5 , 8600k would least add extra 2 cores and 500hz clock along with extra cashed etc
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Thanks orbitalwalsh.

Should have quantified.
PC will be used for a bit of Adobe Photoshop, music production, general office stuff, web browsing with loads of tabs, coding and Virtual Machines as well.
I’m in IT so it’s a real general all round workhorse but also to be capable of flight sim at as high settings as poss with future move to 1440 from 1080p.

Always try to get the best I can afford as longevity is important. Mostly keep PC’s for 4-5 years with graphics card swapped maybe at three years.

£100 or so spent now to help with longevity justified do you think?

8600k looks good but when I was looking a couple of weeks ago, some places had 8700k only about £50 more expensive. Now prices have skyrocketed.

Waiting to see what graphics cards will be best/price. Will use R9 380 as stop gap.
 
Cita8 said:
Always try to get the best I can afford as longevity is important. Mostly keep PC’s for 4-5 years with graphics card swapped maybe at three years.
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Earlier in this decade it was easy to say that high end CPU stays very good that long.
But now it's harder to say.
While Intel's actually improved architecture CPUs are in "development hell" of 10nm node, which might just come for 2020 AMD is on the roll.
And will have tweaked Zen2s along with manufacturing node tweaks coming for spring 2020.
And with increase in R&D who knows if they manage to bring Zen3 closer.

As for Intel prices those will likely keep going up and "9th" gen release might well become like release of Core 2 with availability problems for many months.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/14nm-processor-intel-shortage-9000-series,37746.html

Intel is running out of 14nm production capacity, because of not being able to move production of anything to 10nm, which was supposed to be in use long ago.
That would have started to happen to some degree even if Intel didn't have to answer to competition.
But being forced to increase core counts of desktop CPUs has increased their die size giving less CPUs per wafer.
And answering EPYC and Threadripper with big/huge monolithic chips with certainly decreased yields causes further loss of silicon area per wafer to defective chips:
If wafer giving say 100 small desktop chips has 10 defective ones that's no major problem.
But if that wafer would give only 20-30 big chips with 10 of them being defective/crippled...
 
Thanks EsaT.

Looking at the the GTX 1080ti deals that Gibbo posted.
Thinking now to do it the other way round and get one of those then wait till end of year and keep an eye on cpu products and prices. Better idea?

OR

Get 1080ti AND go Ryzen 2700x, AM4 etc now.

With a 1080ti, will I really notice a massive difference in flight sims between 8700k and 2700x?
 
Depends on the clock speed. Let XFR2/PB2 do its thing then single core can hit 4.3/4ghz which would help, also fact higher Res tends to off load more into GPU (90% of games)
There's also the factor of devolpers shifting patches for multicore as not to let competitors get ahead or newer delevoped titles .

Another middle ground is the i7 8700 non K. All core post is 4.3ghz so head to head with ryzen in single core , it will win due to better IPC .
Also cheaper board then Z370 and an actually Coffeelake chipship (14nm and all in-house controllers ) .
Allows cheaper ram 2133/2400 then having to fork out for 3000/3200- Samsung B-Die .
And then intel is favoured by Adobe .
Worth seeing about your music program, as some use multiple threads better if your using more tracks/layers etc, some just run everything of 1/2 cores and want core speed

For me 2700X and 8700 non K are jack of all trades without the heavy price tag !
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Another middle ground is the i7 8700 non K. All core post is 4.3ghz so head to head with ryzen in single core , it will win due to better IPC .
Also cheaper board then Z370 and an actually Coffeelake chipship (14nm and all in-house controllers ) .
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Ah yes, very sensible option.
So cheaper cpu/board/memory and as good a GPU as I can afford ;)

Always gone for middle range CPU/GPU options and non k. Keep them for up to 5 years but maybe swap GPU after 3.
Thought if I got k version, in three years overclock for extra speed to keep up with current software/games.

Top of the range GPU so I don’t have to get new one after 3 years.

Way things are going though, current tech will be obsolete quicker than ever before??
 
They will be obsolete on PAPER but in real terms no.
Workstation aps may proceas quicker due to extra cores etc but no like current gens are slow .
And after 9 years of 2nd gen i7s they are finally becoming recommended for AAA titles for 1080p 60hz gaming with middle range GPUs
DDR5 is also out 2020, doesn't make DDR4 or board obsolete but just pushing tech onwards, though mobile phones will make better use of it
 
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