Revised EU regulations basically ban 8K TV sales along with some 4K QD-OLED, OLED, and QLED sets as well.

Just as well we had Brexit then, such that we can have our own rules.

Oh, you mean that we're NOT going to be given non-EU compliant TVs as an option.
And you also mean that as we're now not part of the EU, that we have NO say in the EU rules?

That went well...
 
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The whole thing smacks of tinkering. It's easy to push around the little guy (consumers) in an effort to make it look like something is being done rather than tackling the energy consumption, CO2 emissions and waste generation within industry. It's like the carrier bag fiasco. It's why vacuum cleaners and other domestic appliances aren't as good as they used to be. It's why VW and others had to cheat on the emissions test.

When this was talked about in terms of affecting 8K TV, I really couldn't have given a crap. IMO 8K is simply something for TV manufacturers to sell next; a bigger number because... er.... bigger numbers are better. Right? Well no. We've already gone past the point where screen resolution makes any kind of real impact for the average TV viewer. I think it would be better to consolidate 4K and work on improving the picture performance of the midrange sets which is where moving to 10bit panels and full array lighting and getting brightness levels up to make HDR and WCG really pop could help. With that in mind, talk about this affecting some higher-end 4K TVs really does concern me.

The EU proposals are akin to saying - "cars are more fuel efficient driven at 60MPH, therefore all future cars and all road speeds will be limited to 60MPH." I wouldn't want that, and I'm guessing very few readers here would welcome that kind of move too.

In proposing Draconian energy limits for TVs the EU is effectively limiting how well HDR can work.

One of the big problems with budget 4K TVs is a lack of backlighting power. It also affects a surprising number of midrange sets too. LG in particular has fallen foul of the drive to economise on backlighting as a way to cut costs on its budget LED TVs. The result has been sets where they start off with poor brightness, but more worryingly, those remaining backlights are running at near 100% just for SDR. The upshot here is three-fold. First, the image just looks dull. Second, there's no real brightness change between SDR and HDR. The biggest concern though is that running anything at near 100% all the time accelerates the wear. We see that with panels that have gone the same way. The first clue is a change in the colour tone of the picture. It goes a bluey-purple colour. That's the emissions falling off, and it can't be corrected with any of the colour controls. That's not the worst of it though. In some cases the set's LEDs simply catch fire. Yes, you read that right. They burst into flames at the weakest spot and that results in a melted TV screen in the worst instances.

The EU's proposal could make this a more likely occurrence for a larger number of sets.

Now we're out of the EU, the UK government doesn't have a seat at the table to voice these concerns.
 
So little content at 4k I'm perfectly happy with my old 1080p plasma.

Keep saying I won't fix it until it breaks.

If it broke. I would go 4k.but only because I keep tvs so long.

No issue with 8k being banned. Dont really see the point with so little 4k content as it is
 
lucid said:
And so it ruddy well ought to be for £600-ish quid!

I'm talking about the vacuums that normal folk would buy at £100-£200
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I'm happy with my 250 quid shark, certainly better the the dc07 it replaced. With tvs I find I can see a difference between games, but not tv shows. Not sure why. I sit about 1.5m from a 55 inch c9.
 
413x said:
So little content at 4k I'm perfectly happy with my old 1080p plasma.

Keep saying I won't fix it until it breaks.

If it broke. I would go 4k.but only because I keep tvs so long.

No issue with 8k being banned. Dont really see the point with so little 4k content as it is
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there is a lot of 4K on Netflix and Prime

Sky are now doing a lot of sport in 4K with HDR - eg current T20 Cricket World Cup

Sky movies are also doing a lot more 4K content often with HDR (free movies not pay to view)

also BBC Iplayer have 4K eg Frozen Planet II
 
bamby said:
there is a lot of 4K on Netflix and Prime

Sky are now doing a lot of sport in 4K with HDR - eg current T20 Cricket World Cup

Sky movies are also doing a lot more 4K content often with HDR (free movies not pay to view)

also BBC Iplayer have 4K eg Frozen Planet II
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We only have Netflix.

I'd need to upgrade my TV and av receiver. Adds a lot of cost
 
413x said:
We only have Netflix.

I'd need to upgrade my TV and av receiver. Adds a lot of cost
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if you like Foreign Language films/tv series then Netflix has loads in 4K and often HDR

i'm a big fan of Scandi tv - the French and Belgians produce some excellent content as well

if you change tv please look at the Sony XR-65A95K around £3K depending on offers etc

i have moved from a Loewe 65" that cost £7K - the Sony blows it out of the water (read owners reviews on AV forums etc)

all my tvs are ISF calibrated
 
413x said:
We only have Netflix.

I'd need to upgrade my TV and av receiver. Adds a lot of cost
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TV upgrade, certainly. Receiver upgrade? Less so.

Where you only plan to watch streamed or broadcast content rather than buying a 4K disc player, and where you've no interest in adding the extra speakers for ATMOS, then the best you're going to get for sound is DD5.1, and optical or HDMI ARC will handle that easily.
 
lucid said:
TV upgrade, certainly. Receiver upgrade? Less so.

Where you only plan to watch streamed or broadcast content rather than buying a 4K disc player, and where you've no interest in adding the extra speakers for ATMOS, then the best you're going to get for sound is DD5.1, and optical or HDMI ARC will handle that easily.
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totally agree
 
This feels a lot like what happened with bulbs for the regular consumer, people complained about crappy slow dim lights but ultimately learned to just live with an inferior product.
 
DeathStorm said:
This feels a lot like what happened with bulbs for the regular consumer, people complained about crappy slow dim lights but ultimately learned to just live with an inferior product.
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Yes but then LED bulbs came along that are much better anyway. More energy efficient, they last for decades, just as bright at candescent (if not brighter now) etc
 
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