Rewiring cost

gpuerrilla · 9 Oct 2013 at 17:52

It's not that you can't move in, but whether you can tolerate people coming in to work on it when you have got your stuff in. The labour will be expensive in london area, I don't know what they have quoted equipment wise.

garak112 · 9 Oct 2013 at 18:14

Th0nt said:
It's not that you can't move in, but whether you can tolerate people coming in to work on it when you have got your stuff in. The labour will be expensive in london area, I don't know what they have quoted equipment wise.

Materials wise it came to £1300, which I thought was about right.

Brozart · 9 Oct 2013 at 18:33

garak112 said:
Just had a quote to do everything from a friend of my GFs family and it came to £4500!!

Couldn't believe it, main part of it was labour for 2 people and 14 days work. I had thought (and been told) it would take closer to 7. For comparison my sisters friends down the road got charged £3K for a similar sized mid terrace.

I'm now getting quotes from other people, but this has set us back and we need to move in by the end of the month.

Nonsense, they either think you are an easy target or they really don't need the work! £2000-£2500 for a full electrical rewire to 17th Regulations, do not pay any more than this for up to a 3 bedroom house as they will be ripping you off, I have family who are electricians and my best mate is a sparky so I can ensure you what I'm saying is correct. You can even save further by getting the material and running the cable yourself, and paying the sparky to just terminate the ends and certify the job

lewism · 9 Oct 2013 at 22:20

Brozart said:
Nonsense, they either think you are an easy target or they really don't need the work! £2000-£2500 for a full electrical rewire to 17th Regulations, do not pay any more than this for up to a 3 bedroom house as they will be ripping you off, I have family who are electricians and my best mate is a sparky so I can ensure you what I'm saying is correct. You can even save further by getting the material and running the cable yourself, and paying the sparky to just terminate the ends and certify the job

I'd like to see a DIY enthusiast install it to 17th edition. Wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

He lives in London which explains the expenses. Get 3 quotes in that are like for like and you'll see what the average should work out at.

Nightglow · 9 Oct 2013 at 22:25

lewism said:
I'd like to see a DIY enthusiast install it to 17th edition. Wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

Same here, only thing I trust a DIY enthusiast to do is chase the drops & cut outs for the boxes.

garak112 · 9 Oct 2013 at 22:46

lewism said:
I'd like to see a DIY enthusiast install it to 17th edition. Wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

He lives in London which explains the expenses. Get 3 quotes in that are like for like and you'll see what the average should work out at.

I have a few sparks coming tomorrow to quote, but would expect it to be much cheaper.

The big thing was that he was quoting 14 days work (for 2 people), rather than the price of the labour itself which I thought was a decent rate. I have been told that in an empty house of standard construction it should be closer to half that. I know that my sisters friends had a full rewire done in 5.

I also ran it past my mothers partner and his father who both used to work as builders so have seen a lot of these jobs, and they said the time quoted was excessive.

garak112 · 10 Oct 2013 at 22:01

Had 2 quotes today (and 2 more to come), one at £2650 and another at £2817. The total job is for:

Kitchen - 3x double sockets, cooker point, fridge point, freezer point, washing machine point, boiler, 1 light, 1 switch, 1 heat detector
Dining - 1 light, 1 switch, 3x double sockets
Living room - 1 light, 1 switch, 5x double sockets
Bedroom 1 - 1 light, 1 switch, 4x double sockets
Bedroom 2 - 1 light, 1 switch, 3x double sockets
Bedroom 3 - 1 light, 1 switch, 2x double sockets
Storage - 1 light, 1 switch, 1x double socket
Bathroom- 1 light, 1 switch, 1 shower
Downstairs hall - 1 light, 1 switch, 1 smoke (he forgot the sockets here for some reason).
Upstairs hall - 1 light, 1 switch, 1 smoke
Outside - 2x light + switch
17th Edition dual RCD

A bit better that £4500!

Brozart · 10 Oct 2013 at 22:36

lewism said:
I'd like to see a DIY enthusiast install it to 17th edition. Wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

He lives in London which explains the expenses. Get 3 quotes in that are like for like and you'll see what the average should work out at.

Where in my post do I advise an DIY enthusiast to install the electrics to 17th edition? Stop being silly, I said he could save money by running the wiring around his home to save labour costs, the electrician will still terminate and inspect the work. I bet there are plenty of Polish in London that will do the job cheap and to a good standard, you just need to ask about

garak112 said:
Had 2 quotes today (and 2 more to come), one at £2650 and another at £2817. The total job is for:

Kitchen - 3x double sockets, cooker point, fridge point, freezer point, washing machine point, boiler, 1 light, 1 switch, 1 heat detector

Dining - 1 light, 1 switch, 3x double sockets

Living room - 1 light, 1 switch, 5x double sockets

Bedroom 1 - 1 light, 1 switch, 4x double sockets

Bedroom 2 - 1 light, 1 switch, 3x double sockets

Bedroom 3 - 1 light, 1 switch, 2x double sockets

Storage - 1 light, 1 switch, 1x double socket

Bathroom- 1 light, 1 switch, 1 shower

Downstairs hall - 1 light, 1 switch, 1 smoke (he forgot the sockets here for some reason).

Upstairs hall - 1 light, 1 switch, 1 smoke

Outside - 2x light + switch

17th Edition dual RCD

A bit better that £4500!

Thats more like it,

You could probably haggle them down to 2.5K if you play your cards right, Christmas is coming and they'll want to cash in on as many customers as possible.

lewism · 11 Oct 2013 at 10:02

Hate to break it to you, but installing cables is installing electrics.

Advising someone to so it theirselves and then incinuate that you get someone without a grading card let alone any authority to fill out a test sheet is just top advice from someone who isn't an electrician. How about you stop being silly and handing out terrible advice.

Brozart · 11 Oct 2013 at 21:34

lewism said:
Hate to break it to you, but installing cables is installing electrics.

Advising someone to so it theirselves and then incinuate that you get someone without a grading card let alone any authority to fill out a test sheet is just top advice from someone who isn't an electrician. How about you stop being silly and handing out terrible advice.

I hate to break it to you but running the cable is literally running the cable, this is what first year apprentices and labourers do all the time for the electrician before they terminate the ends and certify the job. So stop trying to twist what I'm saying and go **** yourself.

As for bad advise:

lewism said:
He lives in London which explains the expenses.

Chris1712 · 12 Oct 2013 at 00:00

Make sure to get cat5e run everywhere at the same time, perfect time to get that sorted.

lewism · 12 Oct 2013 at 18:01

Brozart said:
I hate to break it to you but running the cable is literally running the cable, this is what first year apprentices and labourers do all the time for the electrician before they terminate the ends and certify the job. So stop trying to twist what I'm saying and go **** yourself.

As for bad advise:

Here's my copy of the wiring regs. I know what i'm talking about and you don't. It's not a case of twisting what you're saying it's just completely the wrong advice to give to anyone. More so from someone that doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Electricity can kill when it's done wrong.

StonedPenguin · 12 Oct 2013 at 18:13

Average Joe can 'run cable' legally, If they couldn't then Joe couldn't add a Spur when he wanted, Which they can and involves the running of cable..

garak112 · 12 Oct 2013 at 23:31

Well I have gone with the second quote we received - £2650.

I had 5 guys round and 3 of them never bothered to send quotes through in the end, only one of them would have been suitable as they were booked solid for 3 weeks.

The guy I found lives round the corner and is starting Monday in between another project.

garak112 · 16 Oct 2013 at 21:56

The guy actually started today in the end, although I did meet him at the house on Monday to finally mark all the sockets up.

Seems to be a quicker process than I had expected - after a day he had routed all the cables for the sockets, with tomorrow dedicated to channelling out the walls for the sockets and laying cable round the kitchen.

Only problem was that he found some rotten floor joists in the bathroom (ground floor). From the look of them they have been leaked all over at some point. Hopefully not a big issue yet, but we will be taking care of it when we do the bathroom next year.

Nightglow · 17 Oct 2013 at 11:02

garak112;25129055Only problem was that he found some rotten floor joists in the bathroom (ground floor). From the look of them they have been leaked all over at some point. Hopefully not a big issue yet said:
You can only see the visual rot, it's the hidden rot you can't see you should think about.

It a job I do sooner than later, as it could cause other problems & nasties, will need to treat the surrounding joists.

Make sure you have good ventilation under the bathroom floor.

If it was my place, & the void wasn't too deep, I fill it in & lay a concrete floor.

mattyy · 18 Oct 2013 at 15:04

StonedPenguin said:
Average Joe can 'run cable' legally, If they couldn't then Joe couldn't add a Spur when he wanted, Which they can and involves the running of cable..

I think what he is trying to get at is that there is a difference to just running cable and running the cable properly.

The regs involve what cable you can use and how big based on enviornmental factors and installation factors. Also where you can actually lay the cable.

Example, you cant just install a cable diagonally through a wall that has a shed load of insulation. Sure, it would work but wouldnt be safe.

This is why you spend so long training to be a spark.

Brozart said:
I hate to break it to you but running the cable is literally running the cable, this is what first year apprentices and labourers do all the time for the electrician before they terminate the ends and certify the job. So stop trying to twist what I'm saying and go **** yourself.

As for bad advise:

Oh how wrong you are. Do you think they train for years just to learn the colours of the cable. Terminating the ends is the easy part of electrics.
Oh course labourers and apprentices do run cables (because by law they cant hold the responsiblity for making something live) but they would have been told by a ELECTRICIAN where to run those cables and the ELECTRICIAN would have done the cable calculations first off so effectivly its all laid on a plate, making it a simple job.

If you honestly think a simple DIYer could size and determine the correct cable, run the cable correctly, pick the correct MCB/RCD/RCBO/etc, make sure the earthing arrangment is correct, check the required bonding for a 16KW shower then I suggest all trainee electricians stop training. Like I said any numpty can get it too work but how safe it will be is doubtful.