Rig now, with eye for 3080 upgrade later

frog61 · 3 Feb 2021 at 16:36

Hi all
What can people recommend for a decent rig, which will be suitable for a future 3080 upgrade.
Was thinking 2080ti for the time being, keep that for a year or so till the 3080 or something else supply gets better.
Primarily gaming on an ultrawide.
Any thoughts?

EsaT · 4 Feb 2021 at 18:16

What's your budget?

frog61 · 4 Feb 2021 at 18:18

without monitor, probably about 2Kish

dfour · 6 Feb 2021 at 12:04

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WiFi (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 ATX Motherboard= £209.99
1 x AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core 4.7GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £419.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Fury 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit= £139.99
1 x WD Blue SN550 1TB NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS100T2B0C)= £94.99
1 x Corsair RMx Series RMx850 850W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply (CP-9020180-UK)= £155.99
1 x Corsair 4000D Airflow Mid-Tower Case - Black Tempered Glass (CC-9011200-WW)= £84.95
1 x Alpenfohn Brocken 3 CPU Cooler - 140mm= £42.95

Total: £1,162.05 (includes shipping: £13.20)

Why even bother with a 2080ti unless you already own one? You would be better off trying to buy your 3080/3070 at asensible price as they do come into stock at times. Sign up to a webpage for 3080/3070 stock levels.

frog61 · 6 Feb 2021 at 13:21

Thats really great!
Thank you for this! I'll be having a look today. If my budget were a bit higher, would there be anything you would recommend to further future proof?
I'd be gaming on the likes of Anno 1800, Stellaris maybe some FPS. Looking at the Dell AW3821DW as well.
Yeah, I have signed up for a few stock alerts and seen a few 3080s get into stock but missing them, will keep trying.
Thank you very much!

ASMB · 6 Feb 2021 at 17:08

Here is an itx build, just because you can if you want smaller. Leaves money for a gpu

I have included 2 ssd for more storage. You will need to source some of the items from other retailers owing to overclockers being out of stock.
You can swap the RGB ram for non rgb if you want, likewise you can swap the cpu cooler for the RGB version if you want.

https://youtu.be/vhx1iphnaNQ https://youtu.be/apcOjLsjap4

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core 4.7GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - £419.99
Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX B550 Mini-ITX Motherboard £174.95
Corsair SF Series 750W 80 Plus Platinum Modular SFX Power Supply £134.99
Kingston HyperX Fury RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit £149.99
2 WD Black 1TB SN750 M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen3 Solid State Drive £119.99 £239.98
Lian-Li PC-TU150WA Aluminium Mini-ITX Case - Silver Window £99.95
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition CPU Cooler - 120mm £34.99 £34.99
£1254.84

turbot1984 · 6 Feb 2021 at 17:26

frog61 said:
If my budget were a bit higher, would there be anything you would recommend to further future proof?

Sure, go 2TB m.2, my 1TB has filled up pretty quick, and gen 4.0 if you like but it costs for little benefit.
3080s are BIG cards so make sure case accomodates!

ASMB · 6 Feb 2021 at 18:58

turbot1984 said:
Sure, go 2TB m.2, my 1TB has filled up pretty quick, and gen 4.0 if you like but it costs for little benefit.
3080s are BIG cards so make sure case accomodates!

That's part of the reason I like the Lian-Li TU150, as the first video shows, it can take 3 slot gpu

dfour · 7 Feb 2021 at 08:38

frog61 said:
Thats really great!
Thank you for this! I'll be having a look today. If my budget were a bit higher, would there be anything you would recommend to further future proof?
I'd be gaming on the likes of Anno 1800, Stellaris maybe some FPS. Looking at the Dell AW3821DW as well.
Yeah, I have signed up for a few stock alerts and seen a few 3080s get into stock but missing them, will keep trying.
Thank you very much!

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x WD Blue SN550 2TB NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS200T2B0C)= £193.99
1 x be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler= £79.99

Total: £282.68 (includes shipping: £8.70)

Not really much can be done to furute proof it to much as what ever you buy now will be out of date in 12 months or so.

dfour · 7 Feb 2021 at 08:40

ASMB said:
That's part of the reason I like the Lian-Li TU150, as the first video shows, it can take 3 slot gpu

Its pretty impressive for a small case and under £100!

Space for graphics cards up to 320 mm long, CPU coolers up to 165 mm

frog61 · 9 Feb 2021 at 10:49

Thanks all
I'm leaning more towards the Corsair case than the Lian-Li one. Guessing having the extra space is better for an airflow and heat dissipation perspective. Also allows me to load more HDDs on in the future. Quite like the Phanteks Eclipse P500, I'm a sucker for those 3 fans at the front and top.

is there much difference between the ryzen 5 5600x and ryzen 7 5800X, would I notice that much difference or is it more of about ensuring theres enough power there to drive anything in the future.
In terms of GPU cooling, assuming I am lucky enough to get a 3080 sometime this year, I've heard about the heat from this being dumped onto the CPU, should I need additional coolers for GP ? case?

mickyflinn · 9 Feb 2021 at 11:25

5600x v 5800x there wont much difference in gaming especially at higher resoloution but those extra 2 cores may come in handy for multitasking or rendering, etc.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/review/2197-zen-3-cpu-gpu-scaling-benchmark/

frog61 · 9 Feb 2021 at 11:35

Thanks! probably worth it just in case.

frog61 · 9 Feb 2021 at 16:21

Is this a good deal? I'm thinking not..
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core Processor
Gigabyte X570 Gaming X ATX Motherboard
CaseCoolerMaster MasterBox MB530P RGB Midi-Tower Gaming Case - Black Tempered Glass
MemoryKingston HyperX Fury RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit
OcUK Techlabs 120mm AIO Liquid Cooler
Operating SystemMicrosoft Windows 10 Home Advanced - Systems
M.2 Solid State Drive 1 (Primary Drive If Selected)WD Black 1TB SN850 M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS100T1X0E)
GraphicsGigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming OC 10GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card
= £2,530

dfour · 9 Feb 2021 at 17:12

I wouldnt waste my time with a 120mm AIO. Get a good air cooler it will be a better cooling solution than a 120 rad. Drop windows and just buy a legit key for a tenner
saving amlost £100 ther.

Bare in mind the 3080 is almost a grand on its own and almost impossible to get hold of excpt in pre-builds.

It will be more expensive than you could cost it out at. OC need to make some money and

dfour · 9 Feb 2021 at 17:24

This is the above rig with the bits I can find and add (ie no 3080)

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Gigabyte X570 GAMING X (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 Chipset ATX Motherboard= £169.99
1 x AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core 4.7GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £428.99
1 x CoolerMaster MasterBox MB530P RGB Midi-Tower Gaming Case - Black Tempered Glass= £109.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Predator 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C17 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX436C17PB3K2/32)= £169.99
1 x WD Black 1TB SN850 M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS100T1X0E)= £209.99
1 x Super Flower Leadex III 850W 80 PLUS Gold Modular Power Supply - Black= £112.99

Total: £1,215.14 (includes shipping: £13.20)

Add roughly £900 for a 3080 and £80ish for the aio and £110 for windows.

Ths PSU is a guess on what unit they would include.

frog61 · 9 Feb 2021 at 17:26

Thanks!
yeah I'm increasingly thinking maybe I should buy the components separately and build it myself, save some money that way.
I like what ASAB and Dfour have recommended, just replace the case for the ciorsaid 4000d or the coolmaster above.
The Be quiet CPU cooler I'd probably go for, any other cooler options?

frog61 · 9 Feb 2021 at 17:28

dfour said:
This is the above rig with the bits I can find and add (ie no 3080)

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Gigabyte X570 GAMING X (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 Chipset ATX Motherboard= £169.99

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core 4.7GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £428.99

1 x CoolerMaster MasterBox MB530P RGB Midi-Tower Gaming Case - Black Tempered Glass= £109.99

1 x Kingston HyperX Predator 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C17 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX436C17PB3K2/32)= £169.99

1 x WD Black 1TB SN850 M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS100T1X0E)= £209.99

1 x Super Flower Leadex III 850W 80 PLUS Gold Modular Power Supply - Black= £112.99

Total: £1,215.14 (includes shipping: £13.20)

Add roughly £900 for a 3080 and £80ish for the aio and £110 for windows.

Ths PSU is a guess on what unit they would include.

Thats great thank you! just need to add th cpu cooler? or is that aio?
thanks once again, really helpful everyone!

dfour · 9 Feb 2021 at 17:34

frog61 said:
Thats great thank you! just need to add th cpu cooler? or is that aio?
thanks once again, really helpful everyone!

That wasnt a suggestion it was just pricing the ocuk rig you posted in post #14.

Ths sn550 2tb is cheaper than the sn850 1tb and would be just as good in real life.

EsaT · 9 Feb 2021 at 20:55

frog61 said:
Is this a good deal? I'm thinking not..
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core Processor
Gigabyte X570 Gaming X ATX Motherboard
CaseCoolerMaster MasterBox MB530P RGB Midi-Tower Gaming Case - Black Tempered Glass
MemoryKingston HyperX Fury RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit
OcUK Techlabs 120mm AIO Liquid Cooler
Operating SystemMicrosoft Windows 10 Home Advanced - Systems
M.2 Solid State Drive 1 (Primary Drive If Selected)WD Black 1TB SN850 M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS100T1X0E)
GraphicsGigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming OC 10GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card
= £2,530

While CPU VRM (power circuitry) of that motherboard isn't the worst and is good enough for gaming loads, it's definitely substandard for PC of that level budget.
Meaning of graph should be easy to guess even without understanding language of text:
https://nl.hardware.info/artikel/94...den-review-op-de-proef-met-een-3900x-vrm-test

Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite would be that good starting level in that budget PC.
Or alternatively B550 board, which have strong VRM for price of that Gaming X.

Those small radiators lose to good heatpipe coolers in continuous cooling.
No matter the amount of fashion pee, water can absorpt heat only for short time and that heat needs to be dissipated into air.
Which needs always lots of surface area, if you want good performance. (at low noise)

And while fashion is now all about PCIe v4 being the second coming of Jesus, the truth is that in average it gives as much benefit as ice machine in south pole on top of couple km thick glacier.
Even PCIe v3 NMVes have huge amount on unused performance for gaming.
So unless expressly wanting to later open up PC for adding more mass storage, for that price level you should be looking toward 2TB drive.
That extra space will be lot more usefull in the long run.
And 2TB WD Blue SN550 is actually cheaper than 1TB PCIe v4 drive.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...-solid-state-drive-wds200t2b0c-hd-57n-wd.html

Also unless absolute wanting everything preassembled&installed, you could save money by getting Windows10 license from web.

frog61 said:
The Be quiet CPU cooler I'd probably go for, any other cooler options?

Alpenfohn Brocken 3.
Very good cooler without brand and fashion excesses for £43.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/alpenfohn-brocken-3-cpu-cooler-140mm-hs-05a-al.html