RIP Paul Walker

arknor · 4 Jan 2014 at 01:03

So they were doing 100 mph - wasn't the crash in a 30 zone?

CaptainRAVE said:
Both? Surely the driver is in control of the car?

Horrific list of injuries in the corronor report.

so passenger does less speed like?

Reaper 392 · 4 Jan 2014 at 01:09

Freefaller said:
If they're both dead how can you prove that the passenger didn't?

Reckless btw.

Thats why i said we can only say the driver is reckless

Thanks for the correction btw. I blame it on the lateness of the hour

Freefaller · 4 Jan 2014 at 01:13

No worries.

However, you DID actually mention the passenger too

[TW]Sponge · 4 Jan 2014 at 01:16

We will never know if Paul Walker actively tried to get the driver to slow down. But we do know that he lost his life, and calling him a selfish idiot is bang out of order, not knowing the facts.

CaptainRAVE · 4 Jan 2014 at 01:17

Sure the passenger has a say. However, if the driver in that car suddenly decides to put his foot down, well there isn't going to be much time to say something! None of us will really know.

Reaper 392 · 4 Jan 2014 at 01:19

Freefaller said:
No worries.

However, you DID actually mention the passenger too

What part of "we can only say for sure that the driver was a reckless, selfish idiot" don't you understand? Yes, I said the passenger could have been partly to blame if they did nothing to stop it, but I pretty much said that we couldn't prove if they did or didn't try to stop the driver.

Freefaller · 4 Jan 2014 at 01:25

CaptainRAVE said:
Sure the passenger has a say. However, if the driver in that car suddenly decides to put his foot down, well there isn't going to be much time to say something! None of us will really know.

Indeed.

Reaper 392 said:
What part of "we can only say for sure that the driver was a reckless, selfish idiot" don't you understand? Yes, I said the passenger could have been partly to blame if they did nothing to stop it, but I pretty much said that we couldn't prove if they did or didn't try to stop the driver.

Oh don't get your knickers in a twist, I was just teasing you for your comment: "If the passenger made no attempt to get the driver to slow down then I agree that both are wreckless, selfish idiots."

I suggest you calm down.

Reaper 392 · 4 Jan 2014 at 01:34

I'm perfectly fine, I was just trying to explain things as simply as possible because I genuinely thought you hadn't got what i said both times

Combat squirrel · 4 Jan 2014 at 02:32

n111ck said:
So they were doing 100 mph - wasn't the crash in a 30 zone?

In which case they are both selfish idiots.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25598081

Stupid idiotic assumption/your brain not working regardless of the hour :confused:

read your own sentence again and put your brain in gear. Excuse the pun.

[TW]Sponge;25595734 said:
We will never know if Paul Walker actively tried to get the driver to slow down. But we do know that he lost his life, and calling him a selfish idiot is bang out of order, not knowing the facts.

Totally agreed, glad someone else was as outraged at thoughtless comment as myself.

n111ck · 4 Jan 2014 at 09:38

Those selfish idiots could have killed a pedestrian - you would have to be hopelessly naïve to believe 'racer' Walker was telling the driver to slow down.

Defending the indefensible.

pioneer2000 · 4 Jan 2014 at 09:43

It's highly likely that they were both intent on driving as fast as they were. Anyone that says otherwise is kidding themselves.

Em3bbs · 4 Jan 2014 at 10:29

I wonder if some of the people saying otherwise would afford the same kind of 'respect' if it was a couple of Citroen Saxo driving chavs killed doing 100mph through a built up 30mph zone in their own neighbourhood.

Flopsy · 4 Jan 2014 at 10:51

Em3bbs said:
I wonder if some of the people saying otherwise would afford the same kind of 'respect' if it was a couple of Citroen Saxo driving chavs killed doing 100mph through a built up 30mph zone in their own neighbourhood.

yup, people dont always seem to see the facts when its someone famous.

Steampunk · 4 Jan 2014 at 11:07

People ultimately care about the people we know. Twenty thousand people die in an earthquake or typhoon on the other side of the world, and it's sad, but doesn't really touch us. One close relative or friend dies, and it can ruin your life.

We have a false intimacy with movie and TV stars. We think we know them through their characters, interviews, or the stories they play out on the screen for us. We develop a one-sided emotional connection with them. When they get killed or hurt, we feel it more because we feel (no matter how falsely) that we know them and are somehow close to them.

Of course none of that false intimacy is true, but being based in an emotional response, it doesn't stop people feeling it anyway, and therefore feeling grief when the famous person they "know" has died.

Johno please? · 4 Jan 2014 at 11:17

Em3bbs said:
I wonder if some of the people saying otherwise would afford the same kind of 'respect' if it was a couple of Citroen Saxo driving chavs killed doing 100mph through a built up 30mph zone in their own neighbourhood.

Chavs are sub human, who cares about them?

Simon · 4 Jan 2014 at 12:37

Em3bbs said:
I wonder if some of the people saying otherwise would afford the same kind of 'respect' if it was a couple of Citroen Saxo driving chavs killed doing 100mph through a built up 30mph zone in their own neighbourhood.

Hitting 100mph takes seconds in a CGT. A Saxo takes forever.

[TW]Sponge · 4 Jan 2014 at 13:06

n111ck said:
Those selfish idiots could have killed a pedestrian - you would have to be hopelessly naïve to believe 'racer' Walker was telling the driver to slow down.

Defending the indefensible.

I understand what you're saying, but again, you cannot possibly call Walker a selfish idiot not knowing the facts.

You could say, the 'selfish idiot' driver killed Paul Walker?

pioneer2000 · 4 Jan 2014 at 13:59

The autopsy report is certainly interesting, never appreciated the detail they go into in these kind of accidents.

Sounds pretty much like Rodas' head split open like a melon upon impact - not the nicest of thoughts!

TaKeN · 4 Jan 2014 at 14:14

pioneer2000 said:
The autopsy report is certainly interesting, never appreciated the detail they go into in these kind of accidents.

Sounds pretty much like Rodas' head split open like a melon upon impact - not the nicest of thoughts!

Just found it. Sounds like it was all over in a instant, which has to be better than burning to death.

pioneer2000 · 4 Jan 2014 at 14:17

TaKeN said:
Where's this?

You can just google for it - was one of the first links last night but seems more sites have picked it up now.