RIPA Request to Apple by UK

[Terminal_Boy]

I see no issues here.

For centuries the police have been able to get a warrant to intercept our mail if they have supporting evidence to justify it.

For over a century the police have been able to get a warrant to listen in on our phone calls if they have supporting evidence to justify it.

Now the police are (finally) going to be getting proper powers to search our online storage if they have supporting evidence to justify it.

The only people who need to be worried about this are criminals, and the paranoid.

That was certainly my view before successive U.K. governments put large parts of the country under 24/7/365 CCTV surveillance in order “to keep up us safe” and it didn’t achieve anything of the sort.

Given that the current government jails people for hurting other’s feelings on the internet by stating facts, I would be very concerned about Starmer’s Stasi having access to my data if I still lived in the U.K.

 

[stuman]

I used to think along those lines, but as time goes I’m getting less and less trusting of our governments.

We seem to have less and less privacy, and at the same time our digital lives become more and more unsafe.

The loss of privacy does not balance against the safety ‘measures’ it’s supposed to afford us.

Ineffective.

I honestly wouldn’t blame Apple if they went ham and pulled out of the UK over this.

 

[ubersonic]

I think this is the important part that many people are missing:

"Apple has previously said it would pull encryption services like ADP from the UK market rather than comply with such government demands - telling Parliament it would "never build a back door" in its products."

I think the government know already Apple will not play ball and simply want ADP gone as the risks it poses to national security far outweigh the benefits it brings to people in knowing their selfies can't be hacked as easily anymore.

No they haven’t, they've been able to get warrant to listen/intercept an individuals mail/calls if they can prove to a court that there's reasonable suspicion. They do not get a warrant to intercept/listen to 'our' as in all of our mail/calls in the hope they catch someone doing/saying something they shouldn't.

That's exactly what my post you're quoting says...

If it was to search an individuals online storage then sure

"the government would want to access this data if there were a risk to national security - in other words, it would be targeting an individual"

Given that the current government jails people for hurting other’s feelings on the internet by stating facts, I would be very concerned about Starmer’s Stasi having access to my data if I still lived in the U.K.

Like I said, the only people who have cause to worry are criminals and the paranoid

 

[cu3ed]

Doesnt even the user lose all of their stuff if they dont know how to acess it, like Apple dont even try and acess it on yrou behlaf even if you prove its your account?

 

[Broken Hope]

Doesnt even the user lose all of their stuff if they dont know how to acess it, like Apple dont even try and acess it on yrou behlaf even if you prove its your account?

Apple can’t access it, that’s the point, they don’t have the encryption keys.

 

[jpaul]

I think this is the important part that many people are missing:

"Apple has previously said it would pull encryption services like ADP from the UK market rather than comply with such government demands - telling Parliament it would "never build a back door" in its products."

no - if you are visiting the UK or on uk soil with a foreign registered phone using ADP you'd be in contravention

 

[SupraWez]

And the obvious flaw in the plan is that people who they should be checking on will just use some other encryption, as with most policies they rarely help solve the issue for the minorities they target while disproportionally affecting the masses.

 

[Murphy]

That's exactly what my post you're quoting says...

No it does not, you said "our" mail and "our" phone calls. You used a determiner that quantified what you said to be more than one person, hence why made the distinction between individuals and your use or "our" as a group.

"the government would want to access this data if there were a risk to national security - in other words, it would be targeting an individual"

As someone already told you: Tell me you don't understand encryption without telling you don't know about encryption.

So what's your proposal for how the government would access this data from/on an individual without compromising everyone else, what do you suggest to backdoor/break an individuals encryption without putting everyone at risk.

Like I said, the only people who have cause to worry are criminals and the paranoid

And as has been shown that's simply not true.

 

[Murphy]

A quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin: They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Also...

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Quite a lotta sweaty fellas with their 'home' solutions going on.

I'm not knocking you, I don't care mostly what you do.

Keep it clean - or good enough - and let's get to the finals and make our town proud!

 

[Haggisman]

So what's your proposal for how the government would access this data from/on an individual without compromising everyone else, what do you suggest to backdoor/break an individuals encryption without putting everyone at risk.

Exactly, since a comparison was made to tapping phones/intercepting mail, the "real world" equivalent of this would be preventing people from having curtains/blinds on their windows and from locking their doors.

Sure, maybe the police (say they) aren't going to come snooping around without good reason, but that doesn't stop potential bad actors from watching your kids through the window or helping themselves to your stuff while you're out.

If wanting to keep parts of my personal life private makes me paranoid, then I guess I must be paranoid

 

[Diddums]

The gov can suck a chode tbh. I don't use Apple's ecosystem but if I did I'd simply move my stuff elsewhere.

I hope Apple stick it to them.