Road Tax

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Royally pees me off that if you buy a hybrid car or one with very low emissions you pay no road tax

Why!! Road tax has always been for the upkeep of the roads. I dont care if you drive a hairdryer powererred toyota/honda your still using the roads creating wear.

Also why havnt we got a national rollout of prepay at petrol forecourts? It would stop bilkings overnight :rolleyes:
 
Explanation I've written before:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21523355&postcount=111

The main reason is that setting VED based on the CO2 output of a car per kilometre distorts demand and encourages the purchasing of more fuel efficient vehicles, even if you don't drive very many miles. Something to bear in mind is that maybe ~15% of the cars on the road are with their first owner - the rest are used, and being driven over a different distance per annum than the intention when they were bought new.

There is, however, a finite supply of used cars, exactly equal to the supply of new cars minus a bit - if you don't have fuel efficient and environmentally friendly new cars, then you don't get environmentally friendly used cars. If you don't have a VED then people who drive very small distances will be happier buying a heavier polluting vehicle; manufacturers of cheap utility cars could have them output 260g/km, and because the typical buyer only drives 2000 miles per year, create a cheaper ownership proposition than a technically advanced, more economical, but slightly more expensive competitor. The £1000 first year VED rate discourages that. It's an extreme example, but that's the principle. If you then don't have these technically advanced low emissions cars being bought new, then you don't have them in the parc to be driven used, potentially over much larger distances.

In reality it's only a small influencer, as fuel taxes reduce the appeal of uneconomical used cars for high mileage drivers, but I'm sure it does have a measured affect, though probably not as much as BIK in the UK.
 
I am most annoyed at the fact that I pay more road rax (£100) than if I got the DSG version of my car. As I recently found out it is £70 cheaper in DSG form at only £30 a year. :eek: :o
 
This is what I do:

1. Drive to fuel station
2. Place maximum amount of fuel in car
3. Pay for it

If there is a pay-at-pump, I will use that 100% of the time as going to the station is a waste of time.

Pre-pay means I have to go to the station twice!
I am most annoyed at the fact that I pay more road rax (£100) than if I got the DSG version of my car. As I recently found out it is £70 cheaper in DSG form at only £30 a year. :eek: :o
Should have researched it ;)

The discounts on the S tronic are larger, too. I wonder whether it has a better RV %, as if it does, it could have been cheaper overall to get the S tronic.
 
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oh no you may have to walk 10 metres to the shop.

such a small price to pay to stop people knicking fuel which inturn makes it harder to do a lot of other things
 
The discounts on the S tronic are larger, too. I wonder whether it has a better RV %, as if it does, it could have been cheaper overall to get the S tronic.

To be honest DSG didn't really cross my mind at the time. Just assumed it would be more expensive and maybe even a issue if it goes wrong. Resale value probably is higher with S tronic + paddles etc. Though it does cost a bit more to begin with. :)
 
Well it's 80 quid a year to tax my bike an F650 which is low power, low emissions, takes up no space & causes zero congestion. I think that is a complete **** take compared to tax for cars. :mad:
 
for the majority, pre-pay would be fine, as most dont brim the tank, but it would be an annoyance for those that do
Why do people not brim the tank :confused:
oh no you may have to walk 10 metres to the shop.

such a small price to pay to stop people knicking fuel which inturn makes it harder to do a lot of other things
Ermm, jog on? What about when there's a massive queue? I have better things to do than queue, twice. The garages can live with it.

What other things does it make harder to do?
To be honest DSG didn't really cross my mind at the time. Just assumed it would be more expensive and maybe even a issue if it goes wrong. Resale value probably is higher with S tronic + paddles etc. Though it does cost a bit more to begin with. :)
I'd imagine the TCO on the S tronic to work out marginally higher than the manual - maybe £500 or so overall. Definitely worth it as manual cars suck.
 
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Did you ever fix your fuel gauge? Weren't you filling up every 75miles or something hilarious like that at one point?

Well I worked it out and I was getting about 32mpg so I drove over a hundred miles on one trip leaving until dial was practically off the gauge and seem to goes below E by quite some bit. So it worked out at about 120 miles to a tank. :)

Never got it looked at. :o
 
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